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Law School Admissions / Re:Low LSAT Very High GPA What Can I do?
« on: November 25, 2003, 12:01:54 PM »
I found this a bit ago, thought it might have some relevance. Stephen Trachtenberg, president of George Washington University, "Firms assume that law schools have already sifted through the pool of potential lawyers, so they look to the top schools to produce top employees, the ones to which they will give the highest salaries. Think about what you would do if you wanted to draft a great basketball player for the NBA: You'd look to the players from the teams that made it to the Final Four rather than scouring the whole country.Ē

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Personal Statements, Resumes, and Letters of Recommendation / Re:LORs
« on: November 25, 2003, 11:23:04 AM »
Unfortunately this is probably a bit too late, but it may help others with the same ordeal.

Definitely choose a class in which you did well, but don't choose it solely on that basis. Probably a professor from the department in which you majored, department head would be a good idea as well as long as he/she is someone with whom you've had at least one class. As for how to get ahold of a prof, I'd call student services (the people who do registration and the like, it's called student services at my U) and ask for email, office phone numbers and the like. Youi might try the school's web directory as well.

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Law School Admissions / Re:Low LSAT Very High GPA What Can I do?
« on: November 25, 2003, 09:33:13 AM »
Shane: Of course you can improve your test scores, but simply because you have learned how to take the test better does not, by any means, indicate that certain (if any) skills have been improved. It's like playing an instrument by ear, after large amounts of practice, you will eventually do well. Keyword: eventually. I'm sure that if I took the LSAT enough times, I could easily score a 180.

JB: Apparently, you didnít read the entirety of my post. If you care to scroll up again, you will see this, ďYou have a better chance at employment (not to say that you canít completely blow your chances as well) if you have a prestigious name on your bill.Ē I recognized the fact that it is quite easy to not get exactly what you want. Also, the phrase Ďbetter chanceí is a good indicator that I know youíre not going to be handed a job. However, when Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz (rated the nationís most prestigious law firm) is recruiting, they are looking for the best of the best and the brightest of the brightest. Take a look at the profiles of the partners and where they recieved their JD http://www.wlrk.com/OurAttorneys_Search.cfm?View=List&By=Position. There is a strange pattern you will find. However, if you donít want to work at the most prestigious firm, that is fine, but if you do, you need to remember that a large portion how well you do in the legal field is appearance and prestige. Of course, everyone judges success differently.

Newb: a) This board is for pre-law students. I'd only assume that the vast majority of people here haven't entered law school yet. b) Case Western is not Ivy League, it is too far away to participate in that sports league. It is #58 according to the US News rankingsÖ very good considering just how many law schools are in the US.

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Law School Admissions / Re:How good are my chances?
« on: November 20, 2003, 06:33:36 AM »
You LSAT scores are right in those schools ranges, however, your UGPA is a bit low for the first set (Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia). But you're not far off. The second set of schools (Georgetown, NYU, U Chicago) are a pretty good bet. Perhaps apply to all three from the second set, and one (or two) from the first set.

A year off might be recommended if you can get some killer experience. It might even been beneficial to you in general to take a breather (you won't be getting one for a while ;) ). If you are fluent or semi-fluent in a language, a year abroad might do you some good as well. Being confident in a language other than Spanish (because it is so common) would also give you a nice boost. A double major would also give you a slight lift, as they tend to be harder to obtain.

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Law School Admissions / Re:Part-time/Full-time?
« on: November 20, 2003, 06:20:01 AM »
I'm not sure what the requirements are for your exact school in mind, but I know for Case Western Reserve University's law school, it's a simple matter of changing your status with a form. It would be a terrible business practice to do forbid students from taking more classes than they originally intended (colleges are very much like businesses). Other schools simply base it off what you are taking and don't bother with forms and such, generally less than 12 credits being part-time.

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Law School Admissions / Undergraduate Degree
« on: November 19, 2003, 12:53:17 PM »
Currently I am in my second year of college at a third-tier school in Ohio (first year as a traditional student, I was technically in high school last year but was going to the University of Akron full-time instead). I'm currently working through a program called the PPE which is pretty much a triple major: Political Science, Philosophy, and Economics. Believe me, itís not as hard as it sounds.

Right now, I am thinking about getting my masters in Economics before going to law school.  How do law schools look at the advanced degree? I figure they probably wonít frown on it, as long as I do well (which shouldnít be a problem).

Also, I didnít see a real necessity in taking the LSAT practice courses that are available. I figure Iíll probably go through a couple of the sample tests, but I wouldnít take the practice courses. Iíve always done extremely well on standardized tests (1530 on SAT, 35 on the ACT), but Iíve been told that the LSAT isnít at all similar to the SAT or the ACT. Is that true? Should I take one of the practice courses or will the sample tests be fine?

As for law schools, I have an aunt who is regularly on the admissions committee for the Case Western Reserveís law school, but her last name is different from mine. I do understand the Ďinterestingí situation in which that could put me, but I was planning to use Case as my safety school. Bad idea? Good idea? Donít-even-consider-it idea?


Thanks!

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Personally, even as an advocate for my local gay community, I wouldnít include it. You donít know who is going to be on the admissions committee, and you donít know if they have some personal (and because of the sensitive nature of this world, probably unspoken) bias against homosexuals. In a perfect world, the admission offices would be filled with open-minded, accepting people. The world isn't perfect, so if you really want to get into a top-tier school (which are hard enough to get into), you need to remove as many reasons as you can for which they could reject you (remember, sexuality still isn't covered under anti-discrimination laws :-[ ).

Unless you are leader of your local pride chapter, you have made some huge contribution to the gay community, or something along those lines, I would leave it out. I wouldnít deny it if asked, but I wouldnít announce it either.

Since you brought your grades up to an A average :) , I think the change would simply be seen as a maturation during your college years. If it was the opposite (you did well and then slid downhill), I would explain, but in this case, there doesnít seem to be a need.

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Law School Admissions / Re:Low LSAT Very High GPA What Can I do?
« on: November 19, 2003, 10:40:54 AM »
NYLawStudent: I commend you for your determination, and I understand that you will try no matter what life places before you. I do wish you the best of luck where ever you may choose to go and whatever you choose to do. Perhaps I failed to include a bit of wishful-hoping in my last post, and I apologize for such. Here's a what a professor of mine from Case Western Reserve University said when I asked her if there was really room for another lawyer, "There is always room for a good lawyer." Remember that, if that's the only thing you take from what I have to say.

Dradic: I was tough for a reason (besides the fact that it simply comes naturally). Law school is going to be tough. The legal field, in general, is tough. NYLawStudent had better start getting used to it.  The LSAT cannot definitely determine one's success in law school, but it does a pretty good job of doing so. This quote was taken from LSAC's website, "The test is designed to measure skills that are considered essential for success in law school." (emphasis is mine)

Aitch: I never said that those who go to third tier schools would end up as ambulance-chasers, I said that those lacking the necessary skills become useless members of the legal field. I certainly hope that she gets into the school of her choice, she wins several history-making cases, and proves me wrong. Also, you need to consider that Intellectual Property lawyers are in HIGH demand and that their salaries tend to be much higher than the rest.

Ivy_Hopeful: See quote from LSAC above.

GVP: I am certainly not saying that Ivy League means guaranteed success. But if you plan to work at a large, prestigious law firm in New York, you had better have Ivy on your resume. Don't believe me? Check out the profiles of some of the most prestigious law firms from the web. You will see very few partners/attorneys from below a top tier school unless they have something extraordinary on their resume or they have some (unspoken) connection to the firm. Also, big firms spend a lot of time recruiting from the top schools. Clients don't want a lawyer from No-Name University (remember, in the courts it's a battle of who has the better lawyer ;) ). Ivy League schools are Ivy League schools for a reason (besides the fact that they are in the same sports leagueÖyes, thatís where the name originally came from).

They do not suffer as badly from grade inflation (key-phrase: as badly, there is a bit of grade inflation even there) and have proven repeatedly that they are on top for a reason. You have a better chance at employment (not to say that you canít completely blow your chances as well) if you have a prestigious name on your bill. Take a look at the statistics for employment at graduation for 2002 graduates (provided by the school): Harvard 98.9%, Yale 98.5%, New York University 98.1%, Stanford 98.9%, Columbia 98.9%. Want to know the expected median starting salary? Harvard $91,301, Yale $ 94,050, New York University $100,000; Stanford $94,200; Columbia $96,000. Of course, with these salaries, you need to remember that the price of living in some areas is higher than others. In Cleveland, making $100,000 is equivalent to making $800,000 in New York City. Itís even worse in the Silicon Valley where people making $70,000 are showing up in homeless shelters because itís too expensive to live there.

Alright, Iím done.

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