Just to clarify--the "he" in all of your guys' hypotheticals is actually a "she."
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I broached this topic on another board and got some great advice, but I want to hear from Canadian students who have actually heard of U of T. I live in Toronto so going to U of T would literally mean having absolutely no debt coming out of law school. Going to Harvard would mean astronomical debt, but then I'd have a law degree from Harvard. Anyone else in a similar predicament? The thing is, I'm not sure what I want to do after law school, but I have a feeling it isn't going particularly high-paying (ie. public interest). So U of T makes the most sense. But then, from what I've heard, having a degree from Harvard could open a lot of doors that a degree from U of T couldnt'...
I think you can boil it down to one questions: what do you want to do after graduation? The problem is, you have chosen fields which will yield two different answers. In academia, there is no doubt that going to a school like Harvard is, in most cases, a prerequisite. If you are going for public interest, you should go to Toronto, definitely--a high debt load will probably force you to consider pay more seriously. (It is no wonder why sometimes half of a law school class as One Ls contemplate public service, then 90 percent of them go to firms upon graduation.)
On the plus side for Toronto, if after three years I decide that I am interested in academia, I can always do an LLM at Harvard. On the other hand, if I decide to go into public interest, or some other unfortunately low-paying field, I'll have acquired little debt to hinder me. I think that's probably my decision. It's just so.... hard to pass on Harvard. But thanks for everyone's help & advice.
Thanks for all the great advice--this board is a lifesaver. Something I ought to mention is that going to U of T would mean zero debt--I'd be living comfortably at home and my parents' contribution + working this year + summer employment would pretty much cover tuition. So the difference between Harvard and Toronto in terms of debt would be $150,000 at Harvard (or some astronomical amount) versus no debt.
The real dilemma is that unlike so many people posting on this board, I really don't know what I want to do with my life career-wise. I know I want to work in the legal field, but working for a private firm--although I know that's where the big money is--doesn't really appeal to me. My sister's currently a second-year associate in New York and is making really big money but she has very little job satisfaction. This might sound incredibly naive--even writing it makes me cringe a little!--but I know that I'd be miserable in a job if I didn't feel that I was somehow working for the greater good, as opposed to helping rich clients get richer (ok, don't hate me, this is a personal feeling and I totally respect anybody who works 60 hour weeks in a private firm with zero social life. Plus, there's a good chance I could end up sacrificing these lofty ideals and selling out for the big bucks when decision-time came around). As for working in Canada versus the US, I guess I'd ultimately want to end up in Canada, but that could definitely change.
In practical terms, Toronto maeks the most sense. No debt, still a great school (esp. for working in Canada), close to the family, etc. But the prestige of a Harvard degree, the international reputation, etc. is making me hesitate to accept at Toronto. Anyway, I'm not even sure what I'm asking--I'm either going to have to take the safe road and enroll at Toronto or take a giant leap of faith and take my chances at Harvard. But thanks for all your insightful replies. Very helpful!
PS- Also, for all you Americans who might not know, for working in Canada Toronto is sort of considered the "Harvard" of Canadian law schools--hardest to get into, most opportunities coming out of. All Canadian law schools are pretty good, but in Canada Toronto has the kind of prestige that Harvard has in the states.
Yesterday I got my acceptance package from Harvard law school. I'm Canadian and I also got accepted to the University of Toronto, which is a really good school and about a quarter as expensive. If I accept at Harvard, I will have to finance law school almost entirely through loans, and will be really in debt by the time I graduate. Plus, I don't think I'm interested in working in a high-paying, Wall Street-type job. I'm more interested in typically low-paying public interest or academic work. But people I talk to keep saying that I have to go to Harvard because of all the "opportunties" it'll provide me--that I can do "anything" after graduating from there. So, my question is this: Is it worth it to pick Harvard over another really good school, even if it means racking up enormous debt? Is a Harvard degree really that much more impressive to employers than another degree? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
« on: December 04, 2004, 06:01:04 PM »
So basically I feel like I'm the opposite of everyone on this board, in that I literally breezed through all the LR and RC sections, even the first LR, with like 8 mins to spare. After 2 LRs and 1 RC before the break, I was on top of the world...
Then came the devil games. I'm just not a games person, but I was doing ok in practice, usually getting through 3 1/2 and only getting 3-4 wrong. But for some reason, I just freaked. Like, my mind actually went numb. And instead of rationally plodding away and deducting and "keeping my pencil moving" (thanks Princton Review) and such, I just fell apart. It was like I lost the ability to make deductions. I went halfway through the fourth section, freaking out because I couldn't get any of the answers, before realizing that I'd totally neglected to incorporate the fact that each country had to export exactly 2 kinds of fruit or whatever. Anyway, I finished all the questions, but I feel like I really could have screwed things up. In practice, I was consistently scoring 168-170s, but I might have really blown this. Doesn't make things any better that the only school I want to go to calls for 95th percentile and above for LSAT scores. So... who knows? How does everyone else feel about the games? Can anyone remember any specific questions and answers?