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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: December 19, 2016, 06:19:49 PM »
"that's not how the army works"

...vomit....I am MORE than aware of how MOS and MOS transfer works kid.............
Cool  ::)

If you were as aware as you think you are, then you wouldn't have said what you did, because what you said was pure nonsense with the "stuck doing a paralegal job."

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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: December 14, 2016, 08:14:26 PM »
I wouldn't go to law school if your end goal is JAG (civilian or otherwise) percentage wise, almost none of the applicants get accepted (out of all those who obviously made the cut to become attorneys)

Its a good goal, but I'd only recommend it if you are ok with ending up stuck in a other work.
The military no doubt would take most vets back (if they otherwise qualify) but might get stuck doing paralegal stuff instead, even if the civilian equivalent.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.  I'm still serving and will be transitioning to 20th Group, which is a part time deal while attending law school if I do go through with the plan.

If I don't get picked up for JAG, I'd still be an 18 series, and I'd be content to go back on AD and gut it out until my 20.  I wouldn't be stuck doing paralegal stuff because that's not how the Army works.  Even if I were ETS'd and put in a JAG packet and got denied, you wouldn't get back in as a paralegal.  As for the percentages, I'm well aware of them.  However, that's dealing with non-PS.  I hit up an O-6 and asked him what they're looking for.  An 18 series (who is still serving) with even an average class ranking would have a much higher chance than your everyday 25 year old ranked in the top ten in his class.

The main issue is dealing with schools, JCET's, and deployments in between but it's been done before.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: December 13, 2016, 08:01:45 PM »
Thanks for the response, brother.

I'm not dead set on the T-14 or anything as I don't really care that much for prestige. I do care where I want to practice and the practice area (public sector) which is why the T-14 plus regional schools offer me the most options.

Live in NC and would like to practice in NC, GA, or TX.  Almost every school I am applying to will have tuition paid for as I don't have any really no aspirations on having a six figure salary or selling my soul to big law.

The key phrase here is "almost every school ... will have tuition paid for[.]" Given that I assume you are early in the admissions process, and that you haven't received admissions + financial offers yet, you must be discussing some other package, such as aid to military vets, that I am less than familiar with. Good for you!

MaintainFL has excellent advice. As you want to practice in the public sector, you should make sure that your total cost of attendance is zero (or close to it). Do not depend on loan forgiveness programs for working in the public sector- allow me to explain.

At this point, you have the same vague desires that most people have when they start law school, "I want to work in M&A." "I want to work in the public sector and do good." "I want to work in international law." There's nothing wrong with that- most applicants have that feeling, and, by far, the three most common motivations are:
1. I want to make money.
2. I don't know what to do with my life after undergrad.
3. I want to help people/do good/work in the public sector.

Here's the thing- the practice of law is very different than the ideals, and you might end up with very different ideas as to what you find appealing after you encounter actual practice during your first two years in law school, during summer jobs, and in clinics. The best way to make sure you keep your options open are to graduate law school with little to no debt.

With that in mind, understand the following-
1. T14 schools are national. Harvard, Yale, etc.? You can pretty much practice in any part of the country that you want to begin with. You will get the interview. However, when people discuss this, they are usually talking about BigLaw or prestigious public sector. They aren't discussing local PD in Montana.
2. Other schools in from 14-100, roughly, or state/regional schools. Your degree and connections will help you in the state, and perhaps the region. But if you want to practice far outside of it, you need to make your own connections and do really well.
3. Past the top 100, you start looking at state/local schools. Schools that place in the state, or the locality (city) of the school.

In law, geography matters. The state that you first practice in has a very good chance to be the state that you always practice in. Bar admissions are not portable. This isn't a hard and fast rule; I've practiced in more than one state. But you should pay attention to it.
Thanks again.  I'm pretty sure I would like to go the JAG route or into defense contracting in some legal capacity.  As far as tuition and living expenses, the Post 9/11 with Yellow Ribbon pretty much covers all public (in-state and OOS) and many private schools, including most of the T14.  I realize my career goals do change, as mine have changed multiple times throughout my life.

I agree with Loki, your GPA/LSAT profile will account for 95% of the admissions decision. That said, a military background and interesting work experience plus maturity will help a little.

I went to law school in my early thirties, and attended a part-time evening program. If you are older than the average student, I would at least consider this option.

Lastly, consider the possibility that a solid local/regional school located in the geographic area in which you want to live may be a better option than a far away school with a higher ranking (especially if it's cheaper).

For example, if you wanted to live in Georgia or Texas (as you indicated) then a degree from UGA or SMU may be more valuable than a degree from UCLA even though UCLA is higher ranked. Of course, a degree from Harvard trumps them all but that's a different story.

In any case, 166 is a great score but it's fairly average for the T14. 3.49, OTOH, is a somewhat low GPA for the T14. I would think about where you really want to live, what you really want to do, and let that guide your decisions.   
Thanks.  Talked to some people at JAG, the DoD civie side, and attorneys at defense contractors and from what they told me, where you graduate doesn't matter as much.  Your ranking in law school would matter, but they also care about WE and life experience.  Most of all, networking and who you know.  I should have a decent shot at JAG provided I don't bomb law school.

Yeah, I realize that my numbers are a bit low for the T14.  But with application fee waivers, I might as well give it a shot in case my career aspirations change.

Holy crap you have a very compelling story.  How did you finish UG while being an SF soldier during the crazy years?  Or did you enlist with a degree?  Just curious, not flaming at all. 

I have been told by many sources that Northwestern is very fond of professional experience.  May be a fit with your very solid numbers.   

Thank you for your service!

I finished my BS before enlisting, which took 2 years with early start credits and summer classes.  Finished an AA at the DLI my first two years in service.  I don't think I would be able to finish a degree in even 6+ years in SF and be able to have a life outside work.

Northwestern is where I'm planning on EDing for.

You don't need to thank me for anything.  Thank you for paying your taxes!

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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: November 29, 2016, 10:48:25 AM »
Thanks for the response, brother.

I'm not dead set on the T-14 or anything as I don't really care that much for prestige. I do care where I want to practice and the practice area (public sector) which is why the T-14 plus regional schools offer me the most options.

Live in NC and would like to practice in NC, GA, or TX.  Almost every school I am applying to will have tuition paid for as I don't have any really no aspirations on having a six figure salary or selling my soul to big law.

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Law School Admissions / Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« on: November 26, 2016, 07:21:16 AM »
A search turned up a couple of threads but most seemed to be 5+ years old and I was wondering if anyone had more recent experiences with the admissions process.

I am in my early 30's, with 12 years military experience (4 in intelligence as a linguist and 8 years in the Army Special Forces as an 18D).  My numbers are a bit below the medians for T14 but I've had a couple buddies go through years back and they all said just apply for all the T14 schools, especially since many would give you a fee waiver if you ask.

I have a 3.49 GPA and a 166 LSAT.  I do believe I have some unique softs and life experience that set me apart from many of my younger, more energetic applicants but it doesn't change the fact many adcoms don't care.  Apart from NU and Georgetown, what schools would seem to value work experience more than others?

Looking at UVA, Michigan, UNC, Penn, and UT in addition to NU and GU.

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