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Law School Admissions / Re: Univ of Michigan Summer Start
« on: July 25, 2005, 01:57:57 PM »
The student body is very laid back and non-competitive.  Our class rank is not released until after graduation.  People share notes all the time.  Asst. Dean Zearfoss, the admissions director, specifically seeks out nice people.  It's just a very cohesive community.  People have a lot of time for fun as well.  Everyone goes out on the weekends.  Ann Arbor is also a great town with a lot to do, and it's very safe. 

I'm in the Summer program now.  I have yet to meet one person who regrets it.  It is SO easy to get used to law school in the summer.  Fall starters face a much more crowded university and law school, and they also must balance law school with extra-cirriculars their first semester.  These activities are suspended in the Summer.  I think if I was starting in September, I'd be a LOT more scared than I was back in June. 

It's worth noting that most people who Summer start are not coming straight from UG.  They usually have a bit of time off...anywhere from six months to five years. 

Another note about Summer starters:  The Umich first-year class is divided into four sections, the Summer starters being one of them.  According to the 3Ls I've met, mostly our advisors, the Summer starters almost always have better grades in the first year.

Law School Admissions / Re: Univ of Michigan Summer Start
« on: July 23, 2005, 03:58:29 PM »
UMich deservedly has the reputation of having the "coolest" student body of the T14.  Summer starters do finish in 2.5 years.  We also have higher rate of landing firm jobs our first summer.  It's an easy summer too...only two "real" classes.

Law School Admissions / Re: 3.8/167 Penn/Boalt???
« on: July 23, 2005, 03:53:05 PM »
I'm gay, and a 166 3.7 got me into penn and Mich.  I didn't apply to Boalt.  I'm at UMich now.

I got into Michigan no problem with a 166.  I had a 3.7 and I'm non-urm.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: What are the "T1" schools?
« on: November 23, 2004, 12:59:32 PM »
Total enrollment at the T14 schools, according to the Princeton Review website, is 13,895.

Remove Georgetown from the list (it's last in the ranking and has many part-timers) and the number is 11,902. 

I'm not exactly sure how to find out the total number of American law school students, so I approximated based on lsat for the past three years.

Assume the average number of LSAT test-takers for 2001-2003 is 99k.  Therefore, in those three years 297k people took the LSAT.

Now divide that number in half to calculate out the number of people who didn't go to law school.  Remember that half scored below 150, and though some of those went, I am assuming that the number of people who scored above 150 that did not enroll at a law school compensates.

Now the number is 148,500 students enrolled in law school.

That means that 9.35% of students are in the T14.

Factor out Georgetown, and the number is 8.01%

Factor out Duke, Cornell, Northwestern, and (dare I say it?) Boalt (the schools that don't consistently rank in the top 10), and the number is 9,003 students.  The percentage is 6.06%.

Now, to answer the question of proportionality...

14/187= 7.48%

13/187= 6.95%

 9/187= 4.81%

The percentage of students in the T14 is proportionally greater.  These are based on rough estimations, and I'm not a math guy, so tear my calculations apart if you like.  Schools like Harvard, Georgetown, Columbia, NYU, UM, and UVA all bend the scale.

And finally...for you Pookie...

Yale represents 0.4% of American law students; this is proportionally smaller than 1/187 which is 0.53%

It's amazing what can be accomplished between classes.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Accepted: WUStl.
« on: November 23, 2004, 09:19:35 AM »
 ;D CONGRATS!  That's a great law school, and it's a rising star to boot.  Is that where you want to go?  Awesome job!

P.S.  Were you EA?

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Accepted - Cooley
« on: November 22, 2004, 08:43:21 PM »
Zack-- I agree. There are a ton of people with better LSATs and uGPAs than me, but I've never been made to feel inferior.

Frago: oooh, you can visit Cooley - and then I will take you around to all of the bars in lansing. It would be fun. Everyone on LSD should visit Cooley :-D

If I get into UMich and I end up visiting that campus, I might visit Cooley and take you up on your offer in one trip. ;). Sounds fun!

I'll be going to UMich, and I want to join you!

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Accepted - Cooley
« on: November 22, 2004, 08:30:56 PM »
It is really obnoxious how the ten or so people who seem to live their lives posting on this board seem to think that everyone who gets under a 170 is an idiot.  There is a reason why the posters on this board always have numbers 168+/3.8+, anyone with lower scores feels inadequate.

Now, I have a 166, and I know that that is 95th percentile, and I know that many of you would have been disappointed with that score.  That's fine; however, 95% of the students who took the exam would have loved to get that score, and then thy come on this board trying to seek advice and instead are surrounded by a majority on this board but a clear minority of law school applicants who imply that their scores would be disappointing.

This is not constructive, and the reason I chose this post was because Cooley very well may be an option for many students and they don't need to be ridiculed.  I work at the public defender's office (no comments from money-grubbers who think this is only for those who don't do well in law school) and two of the most dedicated, successful attorneys there went to Cooley.  They work alongside attorneys from various schools ranging from Syracuse to Fordham (and a Harvard grad retired in the past years).

I think we should support everyone who is actively trying to improve his or her chances of admission by scoping out boards such as these, because those of you lucky enough to have 170s and high GPAs, really don't need much advice or encouragement.

Hey man...I'm in a solid T14 with a 166.  I've never been made to feel inadequate about my LSAT score by anyone on LSD.

brrr... i'm pretty cold blooded myself here.  it seems like i am more sensitive to how cold it is since moving up here

Desi and I both live in Atlanta.  All of you northern brethren, tell him that Georgia is not cold! ;D ;D ;D ;)

Similarly, Papa John's has small, large, and extra-large.  If you ask for medium, they'll tell you they don't have it. 

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