« on: June 05, 2006, 10:53:51 AM »
and the response in turn...
[Response: Gee, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Here's a complete list of topics discussed in World Climate report going back to December: Dialing in your own climate;No News is Bad News;Solar Warming?;Global Warming Not Featured in New Hurricane Study;An Extreme View of Global Warming;Antarctic Ice: The Cold Truth;Ice Storm; A (Mis)informed Public; Hot Tip: Post Misses the Point!; Hansen Revisited; Donald Kennedy: Setting Science Back; Not As Bad As We Thought!; Jumping To Conclusions: Frogs, Global Warming and Nature (Revised) ;Proving Science Bias; Natural Warming Larger Than Thought? -- And how about those ads for "Satanic Gases" and "Crumbling Consensus." Chip, at least I thought you'd have some sense of shame left, even if Michaels doesn't. We at least try to make use of sound scientific arguments in our discussions, even if we only have time to focus on those papers which we feel have done the most damage to the use of sound science in the public forum. On those other hundreds of papers at the tropical meteorology conference, of course we're not going to take them all apart, because most of those people are not trotting their ideas out in front of Congress and spouting off to the newspapers. Some, like Holland, Webster, Emanuel, and Curry have indeed been very public, but their scientific ideas are well and clearly laid out in their publications and while there will no doubt be a lot of continuing back-and-forth on such a difficult subject, we have not seen that any major problems have emerged so far that would call their results into question. With regard to the frogs paper, I won't pass judgement on it, but you'll note that so far we have tended to steer clear of the literature on impacts of global warming, though I think that it will be something we will need to put some effort into eventually. It's an overstatement to claim that Holland didn't have a "shred" of evidence for his statement, since somebody as prominent as he is who has probably encountered several hundred top researchers at conferences would have a legitimate read on the sense of the field. If you're saying there isn't any published systematic poll, yes you're right on that, so far as I know. I'll leave that sort of meta-policy stuff to Pielke Jr.. I'm more interested in whether there's any scientific basis for those saying Holland's and Emanuel's arguments are wrong. Certainly, Holland and company have more science on their side than Max Mayfield. --raypierre]