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Law School Applications / Re: QUICK READ! PLEASE RESPOND!
« on: Today at 09:17:17 PM »
I'm not talking about an admissions letter, I mean a box to mark that says "First to Attend"

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: Today at 09:13:58 PM »
If you are an attorney and licensed and have a JD, if you want you put the JD after your name.  It would not matter where it is from. 

They would lose on an infringement lawsuit; there is little likelihood one would confuse a scam law school with a law firm.

I dunno about the first part, Novus is listed in a lot of states as illegal to use period.

I'm not saying Novus would win on the second part, but people         have sued for less.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: Today at 01:03:18 PM »
I don't see how using Novus would be an infringement and the guy is a T Jeff. grad:
Not sure why you gave the link. I assumed he was honest about being licensed.
Name infringement? People sue for far less (and win) daily.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: Today at 01:02:18 PM »
Using JD on a business card w/out a law license depends on the state and intent.

Because jokers, disbarred attorneys, and wannabes often try the JD gambit, most lawyers stay away from listing the JD solely unless to disambiguate professional degrees they have as in addition to the JD:
All good points, but I was talking about the other extreme where you ARE licensed but not due to the JD and just happen to hold an unaccredited JD from a place like Novus.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: Today at 01:20:55 AM »

I thought you might get a kick out of this. He appears to be a real attorney (albeit an online grad) who is taking advantage of the Novus name.
Makes you wonder if Novus will sue him?

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: Today at 01:13:22 AM »
1.  What grads are lawyers - you going to believe Novus? Reading for the law? With who, their mother?  Not likely.

2.  A regionally accredited EJD is not a scam, it is similar a MA in Legal Studies. You can't become a lawyer based on it but it is a real masters degree. Maybe better than a MA in Religious Studies. On the other hand, an unaccredited EJD is usually worthless but could be OK for something if DETC accredited.

But I will go back to the main point - if no lawyers are associated with a law school, how can it be a law school?
Are we talking staff or students? I don't know who is on their staff, but I thought I heard (somewhere once) that lawyers or even retired judges were somehow involved in it.

As for students, I don't know, but people do read for the law. There likely is at least one out there somewhere, and no I don't know who or where. And I'm not defending them, just saying that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence there Watson.

EVEN IF they had licensed lawyers I would sure hope they'd use an ABA licensed attorney with experience. Be in it to win it, not to worry about people who already don't like you not like you more.

Novus is a scam though, not denying that. If you use their degree in many states you can get arrested. So............its kind of like a novelty life experience degree. You can own it, just not use it.

Serious Academic thought and question here related to that. Let's say (for purely academic purposes) that someone did sit the bar exam and pass by reading the law. They also have a JD from Novus. If they put "JD" on their lawyer business card is it legal to do so? Or would it be a character and fitness issue?

Anyone in the bottom 10% might get the message law is not for them.
anyone in the bottom 10% probably isn't smart enough to understand the significance of it

Here's a suggestion - go ahead and take the LSAT. If you do OK then law school, online or otherwise may be for you.
Yeah but then comes in the weight of what is "ok"
I think some "require" you sit it, but just don't care about the score.

To be honest I can't imagine how anyone with even an Associates Degree from community college with a 2.0 GPA in liberal arts could get below a 142 (which some ABA schools accept if you try hard enough)

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: Yesterday at 01:25:08 PM »
Yes and No. They had grads (at least in theory) who are lawyers. BUT would have to be grads that qualified otherwise even without it by reading for the law (a few states such as CA allow that)

Its not much more of a scam than the accredited EJD deals out the there. I say that since unaccredited JD's in CA let you sit the bar, so its kind of like the unaccredited bar approved JD and the EJD had a deaf limp and lame child that they hid in the closet but a hand full of people still knew about.

Law School Applications / Re: QUICK READ! PLEASE RESPOND!
« on: Yesterday at 01:00:59 PM »
That's true, but it is possible to quantify the effect of URM status vis a vis LSAT scores. The tough part is that it varies based on whether we're talking a 140, 150, or 160 as your base.
It always kind of bugs me how people who go "race is a social construct and we are all just humans and need to stop treating eacother different by race" still call people racist if they ask for that same thing to be applied to college admissions.

Don't get me wrong, if you can use a tool, use it. It just is interesting to me since White Males are NOT the majority of law students anymore and a VAST minority in some other fields such as veterinarian medicine.

These are among the many reasons that race/ethnicity-based AA has been slowly dying for the last fifteen years. Look at the decision in Grutter, then consider that even California has rejected race based AA in it's public universities.

The issues are complex, and AA offers an overly simplistic solution. One of the Ivies (can't remember which one) did a study a while back and found that although AA had increased ethnic diversity at the Ivies, it had not increased socio-economic diversity at all. In other words, the URM child of a heart surgeon benefits from AA while the white kid who grew up in a trailer in Appalachia gets told that he's privileged.

I think some form of AA should exist, but at this point it should based on socio-economic status.
Don't a lot of college nowdays have a "first to attend" type policy where if no one in your family went to college you get some type of admissions bump/tuition reduction or something like that?
I think I heard something about them trying to get rid of "legacy" preferences too due to "incidental racism" since in the old days it was almost 100% white.

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