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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC that much > than BU?
« on: March 27, 2006, 11:00:40 PM »
 I had a few reasons for taking BC over Cornell:
(1) I went to UG at Indiana U Bloomington and didn't want to be out in the middle of nowhere again--I love IU, but I did miss the city by the end. Plus, being in the city has given me some great opportunities related to law--I'm a member of the Boston Inn of Court which is a sick way to look for jobs and meet some really amazing attorneys and judges (plus, it's a hell of a meal and view.)

(2) My goal going in and even still is to return to Cincinnati--Cincinnati is impressed with either BC or Cornell--the majority of the firms in Cincy draw from lower ranked (but still good) schools in Ohio. I've talked to a lot of professors about the difference between BC and Cornell after I determined to go here and most of them seemed to think that the reputation is exagerrated--although, of course, most profs have never been in practice. I can also tell you that I think hiting is less gradecentric provided that you get into the office.  I beat out 1L's from Georgetown and Michigan to get my summer job. Would I have beaten HLS/Stan/Yale?  No, I don't think so.  But, I'm not sure the playing field outside of that is as slanted as people would have you believe.

(3) I'm telling you that for a good time in law school and some fun people, you can't beat BC (although I've heard UVA is amazing as well in terms of quality of life.) The people at Cornell struck me as far more stand-offish, which isn't really my thing. 

(4) Ex-gf of a long time is an undergrad there.  A minute reason, but something to consider nonetheless.

      In sum, I, like many of you, was OBSESSED with LSAT scores and law school rankings. At some point, I just kind of leveled with myself and decided that Boston was going to be the place for me. Honestly, I don't see what a Cornell degree could have done for me personally--however, in other situations, it makes sense.  Remember, you have to feel proud of the degree you hang on the wall at the end of the day--if having the T14 or Ivy Degree hanging on your wall means a lot to you, you better go do it.  For me, it was a matter of going to a great school that thrives on personal connections. After almost a year of being here, I, like many of my classmates, bleed Boston College.  That doesn't happen at most law schools.   
     And guys, as I said before, no matter where you end up, do yourself a favor and don't rely on grades to find your job--you just never know.  Start right away as a 1L even though you'll be intimidated with making connections with alumni, profs, and get those letters out by Dec. 1.  Believe it or not, people get jobs WITHOUT ever having grades.  And, once you've got your foot in the door for the summer, your odds of permanent hiring are high (plus, making big money as a 1L is hard to beat.)  Even if you don't get the job as a 1L, many firms will keep on file that you showed interest as a 1L.  BU and BC are both great schools and either degree will take you as far as you make it in a lot of ways--I'm a firm believer in that.
     Good luck to everyone and let me know if you have any more questions or want to look around and meet people from BC.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: BC that much > than BU?
« on: March 26, 2006, 11:07:33 PM »
Hey All,

    I stumbled across this post after not having been on LSD for a long, long time.  I'm currently a 1L at BC and I'd be happy to answer any questions that anyone has on topic.  I was in a very similar situation in school choices with a little Cornell thrown in there (that's right, I chose BC over Cornell.)  Regardless of whether you agree with my decision, I feel the need to point out what I think the *real* differences between BC and BU are. 
     Analyzing the schools based on a rankings difference or a "who-works-where" difference is relatively useless--the distinctions people start drawing are so minute that they become unreliable.  That said, I think the national placement stuff is overblown.  I think most BC lawyers choose to stay in Boston.  However, I think that finding a job outside of BC isn't really any more different than BU simply because our alumni network kicks ass.  I'm from Cincinnati originally and I'll be returning after law school.  I sent out letters to the biggest firms in Cincinnati, had three interviews, and received two offers--without the firms having seen a SINGLE grade.  Career services, as you'll later find out is the case about everywhere, helped me with none of it--but you better believe that when I found out who the BC grads were in Cincy, I immediately E-mailed them, went out to lunch with them, did everything I could to get ahold of them and they took care of me pretty well.  (By the way, let this be a lesson that no matter where you go, no matter how busy you are studying for finals or writing an OM, get your letters to employers by Dec. 1--you'll be amazed that almost nobody else does and big firms hire really early). Also, realize that I'm aware we're talking about Cincy and not a firm in New York and that my degree carries more weight in OH then it does out here.  I do, however, have friends peppered in firms in both NY and DC as 1Ls--there aren't many, but there are a few--and you know how it happened? Alumni.  No matter where you go to school, meet them and talk to them.   
     Related to this idea of the greatness of BC Law Alumni is why these Alumni care so much.  BC has a completely different feel to it than other law schools.  We pride ourselves on being more collegial.  No matter where you go to school, there are classic moments where law school just tries to pin you down--whether it's the day before classes start or your first exam.  At BC, the admin really tries to help you contextualize the importance of everything.  My torts professor, even on our final, reminded us that we have lives outside of law school and people who care about us.  Firms in Boston donate care packages and the school includes a lot of free stuff.  The student body, for the most part, is very cohesive and friendly--this doesn't preclude competition, but it's just not something that's as vocal as everywhere else.  The number of events BC throws for law students is astronomical--from bar reviews (rented out bars) on a bi-weekly basis to the Law Review Show, to Law Prom downtown (which was last night), to Oktoberfest, to Mentor Programs, to Alumni Dinners, to Boat Cruises, to Dinner at Prof Houses, to post-exam bashes, I can't emphasize how much they really try to take care of you.  One of my good friends from High School goes to BU Law and while they do many of the same things, it's not nearly the same atmosphere.  But, the atmosphere is not for everyone--some prefer the gritty competition, they have zero tolerance for any kind of coddling, etc--if you're that way, I recommend BU for sure.
     One last note on jobs and grades.  It's absolutely fine to want to acheive everything you can academically in law school.  You should bust your ass and do everything you can--you're paying a lot of money to be there and job prospects can certainly be affected by how well you perform.  That said, remember that grades are often the tool to get your foot in the door.  If you're making a choice between BC and BU or GW, you're making a choice between some very good schools.  After being through several interviews, I really have the impression that once you're in the office, the partners want to know that you're someone that they want to work with, someone they can present to clients, and someone who *gasp* they might even want to hang out with after work.  Most of my interviews were conversational and I found that the best technique was to really lead the conversation and feel free to deviate from the law and law school.  We're going to be lawyers and for better or worse, lawyers tend to like to talk about themselves--ask them questions and let them know you're interested.  I guess without being too long-winded, from my experience, grades are overblown even though I was quite pleased with mine.  Try hard with the academic side of law but no matter how smart you may think you are, no matter how good you think you are in class, no matter now dumb you think the person next to you is, never bank on being in the top half of your class at any top school--because nobody there is used to or has ever come in last--and guess what? Someone is now.  Do your best making connections and pursuing outside avenues to make yourself marketable in case things don't go as well as you planned. 
     Sorry for the longwindedniss.  I wish you all the best of luck in your decisions.  Seriously, feel free to E-mail me with any questions about BC--for me, I can't imagine being in law school anywhere else. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Boston Roommate Wanted
« on: April 19, 2005, 02:44:34 PM »
Hey, I'm definitely going to BC next year--I have some ideas of where to live--E-mail me at I'm trying to get things settled before early May.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory Scholarship Information
« on: February 19, 2005, 08:45:13 PM »
haha, yes--yes, they did. Now, if they send me a letter saying I "almost got in," I'll almost got upset.

Choosing the Right Law School / Emory Scholarship Information
« on: February 19, 2005, 04:48:28 PM »
I got a letter from Emory today saying that I'd been nominated for their full-ride plus 3000 dollars/yr scholarship (I think called the woodruff) but was cut in the final round. The funny thing: I haven't been accepted yet and they acknowledged that my app was till pending in the letter (which figures, give my LSAT). Anyone else get this or have any idea how to view this? Interesting stuff, hope it's good news.

Bigtex, that is hillarious. By his terms, you would have to acknowledge that a word has multiple definitions every time you introduce the word. Maybe Louder would like to come after me for not acknowledging that "term" has multiple meanings. I feel sorry for Fordham (if he really does go there), sorry for him (for being ignorant and hyper-aggressive), sorry for anyone he might actually represent in the future, and sorry for me (for actually taking time to respond to this post one more time). Goodnight everyone.

Louder, although I've read the same article, I'd present the following (which has already been brought forward): AA is illegal in CA (the degree to which this is enforced is likely debatable), but a 3.95 at a top sociology school is no bull. Plus, with a sociology degree, I would assume the OP probably has some serious soft factors that put her over the top (social work, for one). She's proabably seen and heard things that have made her very passionate and genuine about persuing law (something that many people with higher LSAT scores lack). In other words, I don't see the OP's situation as an AA admissions issue to begin with, regardless of other posts that have taken place. As far as talking about the 90 percent in the bottom-half of the class, it's a very tough number, I agree. But, I feel like things have drifted way off of the main point of this thread and that this has become another stupid AA post.

I'm not even going to respond to Louder. I like the comment about the "best and brightest" going to law school--hopefully it's still an accurate generalization.

Man, at some point, don't you just have to play the cards you're handed the best you can? Man, I feel pretty good about going to the "toilets" that are BC, Wash U, GW, or Emory. If you want to go to Harvard, and you're white, get a 174--you know that's what you have to do--find a way to do it. I think I heard the phrase "life isn't fair" once or twice. C'mon, we're all going to law school--that's not a bad deal, is it (well, not if you REALLY want to be there). I guess the idea is to get to a point where, if you have a strong belief, you can bring about a policy change. I personally have no problem with AA, but that's my preference. Still, the point is, these posts belong in an entire subject than the orignial topic.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Waitlist at GW
« on: February 16, 2005, 07:02:44 PM »
Lem, I'm on the waitlist with you. I believe that nobody got off the waitlist last year and from what I remember an admission counselor telling me, the odds are not great. But, it beats a rejection by a longshot, so hang in there and be aggressive.

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