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General Off-Topic Board / Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
« on: February 29, 2012, 05:00:07 PM »
No man, regarding the united states interactions  with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...

It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?

 other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...

with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak.  ;)

My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.

the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...


Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?


^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.

Nazis were bad. No one argues with that. But that idea of it being the reason for the American involvment in the war (or anyone else's) is due to the romantic rewriting of history.  We had no idea of it untill deep into the war, and no true idea of just how bad untill it was well past over.
Russia was just as bad but they were our "ally" because we needed them to be, and then two minutes post WW2 the "coldwar" began.
Genocide is bad, but not the reason for WW2. It was however the reason for the Bosnia and Kosovo wars under Clinton.

Aye agree...genocide was not the reason for entering ww2 at all...but if we stopped genocide from continuing by entering ww2 then our actions for engaging the conflict were beyond justifiable.

Aye agreed with clintons actions for our engagement there as well.

...if a country engages a conflict and genocide is halted...one has to grasp the good in that cease.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
« on: February 29, 2012, 02:47:11 AM »
yes, goatbreath, contained.  look it up.

You live in a dreamland...what was that dudes name? Chemical Ali?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« on: February 29, 2012, 02:30:40 AM »

...aye mock blowhards like you, olbermann, o, rielly,...

boxer is a castrated liberal...she'll be gone from office after this term...so sad that many of the libs got voted out or retired.


....it's fun to watch msnbc these days without that tool Keith olberman....less bias.

olberman really push your buttons.  you never even mention babs boxer any  more.

by way, how your goat?  she going bear you little blueidiot anytime soon?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« on: February 29, 2012, 02:19:38 AM »
And aye liked bush's wrangler politiques....swagger is what we needed from a commander in chief...a cowboy in the white house...his unyielding and uncompromising aura was okay to me...
He confounded the press...A tough president, yes...a poor public speaker, yes....a bad president, nah.

...it's laughable that the alternative was john kerry...



We don't communicate too well blue, buddy.  I was arguing Bush was a bad president largely because he was too strong and too tough.  He didn't compromise or even care about anyone else, least of all us.

Olberman is just an opportunistic pundit, nothing special there.

All that other stuff you said is fair enough and not in contention.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
« on: February 29, 2012, 01:44:42 AM »
No man, regarding the united states interactions  with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...

It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values/behaviors/beliefs/likes and dislikes...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?

 other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...

with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak.  ;)

My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.

the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...


Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?


^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: go newt go!
« on: February 29, 2012, 12:56:53 AM »
Omg...that speech by santorum was totally disconnected from reality and somewhat scattered...he has a passionate cadence but the way he connects thoughts into sentences is jumbled....

I'd like to read his speech back...aye bet it's weird on paper.

Tricky with that lump of coal? Though..."ten people in that santorum room thought he was telling them that he was Santa claus and if they didn't vote for him it's a piece of carbon in the stocking during candy cane time.

...however with the coal he is on to something with rural and forest dwellers in the USA

...what did msnbc commentators say about santorums speech? Matthews thought santorum was passionate...in voice, maybe...his reality was a little spotty.

...even al sharp ton said it was a good speech?  Rachal maddow didn't even comment on the disjointedness...although she looked like she wanted to gouge her own eyes out...said almost nothing.

...how did they miss that opportunity to rip him to shreds...amazing that maybe msnbc forced hard objective journalism.

Msnb? Idiots

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
« on: February 28, 2012, 12:22:01 AM »
Are you writing about dictators and regimes or people? Because aye think that regimes are the problem...not the people. Aye trust people to govern themselves but regimes like the one in north korea are not people governing themselves.

See the difference?

We have Not close ties with n. korea so diplomacy would have no human rights commentary on the treatment of their people. And 0 influence over their people directly or indirectly. ;)
We have ties with china so diplomacy often has human rights issues wind in with it's business and political discourse...and human rights issues become cultural/media advertisement. Even human behavior becomes a part of scrutiny by another culture.  Didn't the chinese government send out the signal to cut down on public spitting during the 2007 olympics ?  Although the initiative was executed by the chinese, doubtful there wasn't some western influence at play..
There is also a universal concern for women's rights which bombards governments in which we have business and political ties..we chastise their lack of concern and continue dealing until a dictatorship cracks ...or a regime cracks or crosses the line...the gassing of people should be a clue to a regime crossing the line...yet while progress is made On women's rights issues and basic human rights it's a long way to go...nations of the world are intertwined on many levels in diplomatic and business dealings...

we can't help rub off a little of our chinese brothers and sisters...we also can't help rubbing off on those who got rid of ali, mubarak, and quadafi---/we helped with getting the last mentioned.\

The west rubs off on the middle east and we influence them one way or another...it happens not through force but an idea that they want the regime gone and a different quality of life...aye don ' t care...call it enculturation; call it diplomatic intercourse...but eventually we all have to stop the habit of spitting in public places...and every now and then until it is a perfect world---some dictators will step down---some will hang--then someone will set themselves on fire to make a point about police cruelty in tunisia.
and some people think a revolution is born...at this point they are doing it utilizing their own methods..so aye think we are in agreement on that.

Hmmm. We may have found a major point of contention between our differing points of view: 

I not only trust them to govern themselves, but to do so responsibly. If they do not do so responsibly, it is not my place to force them to be like me- to me, its a respect issue.  I don't necessarily think we are better than them.  To me the question is: why would I? I wouldn't have supported the crusades either and the modern middle eastern invasions are way to similar- just replace the word "Christianity" with "Democracy" and everything else meshes.  Too creepy an historical similarity for me.

Blue, you seem to feel the opposite: it is our responsibility to force them to behave responsibly, as a matter of decency, regardless off the cost or disrespect.  To "help" them by making them like us.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: go newt go!
« on: February 27, 2012, 09:54:31 PM »
What? That's not even part of the conversation and of course it true. Yes, there are dem wingnuts. 

Did you really get defensive because we are making fun of Palin? Really? Of all that can be mocked in this world, f.in Palin gets you defensive? Wow.

Aye think it is funny that sp is the "howard stern" of politics...many enjoy listening to her because they want to hear what she has to say next...some are so amused by her and some can't stand her...but both sides are tragically fixated on her...

 she is an opportunist like kucinich...in it to keep her name out there and make a buck.
Many on the left are scared that romney will beat obama...So they want sp to run.

Neither sp nor kucinich are/were  ;) viable candidates...
Both funny as hell to me, though.




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General Off-Topic Board / Re: go newt go!
« on: February 27, 2012, 05:26:30 PM »
The pubs got sp and the dems got kucinich...the right and left fringe arlecchinos...good luck if you think either are viable candidates.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
« on: February 26, 2012, 02:58:32 AM »
I already miss talk like a pirate day :(.

Chuck, I like some of you approach and its is definitely better than killing people, but they aren't like us.  Middle Eastern problems need to be solved with Middle Eastern means.  They aren't like us, as much as we think they should be and as perfect as we think we are. 

Kill your air conditioners. Man, do I hate, hate AC. :)

Solved by middle eastern means?  Yikes.  What have they been doing for the past thousands of years? Or they got some extreme means modern day...cut off a hand? Or stoning?  Stoning?....even Jesus lived a thousand years ago and he was not a strong advocate for stoning...that stoning shite as been a'round for a while...many of their laws like ours stem fom scripture...stem from kohran and are harsh by our standards...tough call to me to not communicate with genuine interest and get immersed as we have business and sometimes family ties with the middle east...

...aye am worried how an Arab uprising in saud Arabia would play out...

Aye somewhat agree with you about the air conditioners....we should discuss this in another thread....perhaps if we present ac's to people for free--- and give them a choice to keep it or give it back...
Chuck might be onto something with this...and aye am only half smiling...silly? Or a great idea?

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