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Law School Admissions / Re: LSDAS gpa calculation questions
« on: April 26, 2006, 08:02:56 AM »
i had the exact same thing happen - had an 'F' with no credits listed because i retook the course which replaced the grade for the school GPA calculations. No such luck with LSAC.

I complained to the university and took it as far up as i could and they said the policy was set and would not change. Apparently this was something that they had dealt with many times, like most any university with the grade-replacement policy i would imagine.

For me, i actually took a 2-year break after that forgettable year and half and started up at a different school for my last 3 years, so an addendum will be easy. If there is a good reason then write an addendum.

i'll let you know what i think -

i like what someone said in that other thread... call the law school and let them know that you're writing your own recs but the "writer" is editing them and signing off on them... if you find it ethical and see it as a widely-spread practice... i don't see why you'd be unwilling to do this...

i really don't see the point of saying how many people do this... that doesn't go to whether it's ethical or not... it just goes to whether it's common or not...

I'm not sure if this was a reply to my post, but i'm not really interested in if its widespread or not but what the school says about its policy. I'm really not interested in if it is common or not.

Personally i'm doing what i think is right and that is the point of my post. I really don't think there is much doubt on what the right thing to do is, so there is little ambiguity. You either choose to follow the rules or not, and what you decide to do helps to define what type of a person that you are.

Actually, neither of these people are professors... I'm long since out of undergrad.  Not that it particularly matters, but part of the reason they asked if I could draft them is because they aren't in academics, where writing LORs is essentially part of the job.  So these folks are doing me a big favor to begin with.

i've been out of undergrad for 10+ years as well and a "non-professor" offered to let me write my own LOR as well. I turned him down and found someone else because i think its unethical and i just wouldn't feel right about cheating my way into law school. Besides, I want to know that i earned law school on my own merits and not because i have to break the rules to get in.

Getting opinions here isn't the true test of whether its plagarism or unethical or whatever. If you want to do the right thing then you should call some schools and ask them. If they say "no" then follow their rules. I think you already know what they will say. Personally i wouldn't want to start a legal career with lying and deception.

Anyone want to read for me? I'm worried it will sound whiney.

You can email me a copy and i'll let you know what i think.

Law School Admissions / Re: GULC PT
« on: October 10, 2005, 08:05:29 AM »
My numbers are 3.43, 163. Would I stand a chance in hell of getting into Georgetown's PT division, assuming, of course, all of my other factors are OK? I'm debating whether or not I should apply there... I'd like to go, but at this point in the race, Im not as willing to shell out the $87.

I know my numbers are within their 25th-75th percentiles, but I've always assumed the less qualified PT students were probably older people with work experience and/or URMs. I may be,  and probably am, way off base with that assumption, though...

I'm hoping that they look for experience. My GPA is around 3.15, although my last 3 years were 3.5+ (new school after a 3-year break from college following my disasterous freshman year). I'm taking the LSAT in December and my practive test scores are around 162-164 and rising - i'm shooting for a 165+. I've worked in the tech field for about 10 years and just started working at the US Patent and Trademark Office. I've also got my MBA and some other factors that I'm thinking will be positives - honors graduate undergrad, 2 years at a non-profit, great PS.

When they decide whether to give me a seat I'm probably going to come up against stats like yours and a little better as my direct competition. Who do you think they will choose? I seriously don't know and that's the $64,000 question...

I've really got my heart set on GWU actually, and i've visited all 4 campuses i'm interested in around D.C. (American, gmu, gwu, gulc).

Good luck!

Law School Admissions / Re: Resumes
« on: August 06, 2005, 01:39:08 PM »
Some applicants cannot fit their resume on 1 page. I used to have a 1 page resume when I graduated undergrad. But it ballooned to 1.5 pages after my first masters and 3rd job. Now after 6 years of WE, second masters and several publications, it's solidly 2 pages. No fat left to trim. Well, not without compressing the format and making it illegible. Or eliminating important content which Id prefer not to do.

Id recommend you make every effort to write a 1 page resume. But if you have important information that should be in the resume (for example 5 publications that requires significant space to list) then dont cut the information just because of a 1 page limit rule.

Exactly why i said that more than one page was OK. I had to trim down my resume and compress some things to get in on two pages. I'm in the same boat as SanchoPanzo with a Masters degree, lots of awards and other training, and over 13 years of experience working my way up to a software engineer doing contract work at probably 7 or 8 jobs after my UG. I even taught at a university for a while and still do guest lectures and research with faculty years after my Masters. Try to fit that on one page - it won't.

The fact is that we are talking about different types of people, and those with significant WE should highlight that in order to make their applications stronger.
Yes, i agree that you should include a resume, although I disagree that it should only be one page (more than two isn't a good idea though).

In my experience, if I had submitted a resume of more than one page for any job it probably would have been thrown out immediately. In reviewing resumes, it's very annoying to get one over a page. It's just bad form.

You must not have much experience. I've never had a problem with a two page resume in finding a job, in fact if it wasn't two pages i probably wouldn't get the jobs i'm applying for at the levels i seek currently.

Law School Admissions / Re: Resumes
« on: August 06, 2005, 12:55:22 AM »
Yes, i agree that you should include a resume, although I disagree that it should only be one page (more than two isn't a good idea though).

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAC GPA --HELP
« on: July 22, 2005, 11:33:12 AM »
Hi all-- new to the board.  I know this is somewhat of a dead horse, but I have a quick question about W's on the transcript. Do they count towards your LSAC gpa?  Also, I transferred a bunch of credits from comm. college that were not calculated in my GPA from college.  Am I to understand that they will count towards my LSAC GPA.  If this is so, my LSAC GPA will be higher than my GPA from school.  Is this possible?! 

W's don't count. The LSAC GPA includes all grades from all institutions until you get your first Bachelors degree.

edit: they will see your "degree granting gpa" and if this is lower than your overall GPA it won't look good on your report. They might interpret it as you doing good at a community college that isn't really challenging but you had more difficulty at a more challenging university level program.


LSAC does not care about your school's retake policy. Remember that law schools will see your actual transcripts too.

how do they see my actual transcript? LSAC send actual transcript as well or i have to send it seperately? i got my result today. my actual gpa is 2.8 but LSAC gpa is 2.55 now. feeling blue.

If by "they" you mean the law schools, then i don't think that they will see the actual transcript. LSAC would have to scan each page and forward these images, but i doubt this happens.

You shouldn't send transcripts seperately to law schools, that's for sure. The whole idea of the LSAC is that they handle all documents that they don't want you to touch like LOR and transcripts. Law schools don't want you forwarding docs from 3rd parties so that the docs authenticity is ensured via LSAC.

You're giving out a shitton of bad advice.

1) If your LSAC GPA is higher than your degree granting, that is a GOOD THING. Why is that you ask? Because the LSAC gpa is the one they have to report to USNews, etc. so it's the only one they give a sh*t about. Any index is going to be calculated with the LSAC gpa.

2) As a matter of fact, LSAC DOES attach your entire transcript to the LSDAS report. Wrong again, bucko.

Those were opinions and not advice. Its sad that you are only interested in smacking people down and feeling superior.

I disagree on your first point, but you're so rude i have no time for you.

Law School Admissions / Re: Tailoring your PS for certain schools
« on: July 21, 2005, 04:53:18 PM »

Think of the PS as a long cover letter to a resume, in which you state your intentions, the reasons for your intentions, and how your intentions are reflected in your choice to apply to their school.

This is questionable advice. It is more of a personal opinion and should be stated as such.

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