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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: NYLS vs CUNY Law
« on: May 15, 2016, 11:26:09 PM »
I am anonymous internet poster so take my advice along with a grain of salt.

With that said don't leave common sense at the door and  the cheapest option, which should be CUNY.  Any ABA school will teach you the same thing.  CUNY, NYLS, and Cardozo are fine schools, but don't thousands more for any of those three if you were talking Columbia v CUNY the money is worth it, but NYLS is not Columbia. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Pitt vs. Duquesne
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:41:31 PM »
They are both in Pittsburgh and from my understanding equally good schools.

I guess one thing to really look at are the stipulations of the scholarship. If it is something like you must maintaina  3.0, be a little careful. Most incoming law students think they will get a 3.0 no problem, but when you go to law school everyone will be very smart, hardworking and motivated. This is relevant, because typically the law school curve only allows about 1/3 of the class to get a 3.0, which means if there is a 3.0 requirement there is a 66.6% chance you will not keep your scholarship for year two and three. This is nothing personal, but just the reality on the first day of class 100% of law students are sure they will be in the top 10% and there is no way they will not in at least the top third, but you do not have to be a math major to see how that plays out.

So one thing to do is review the stipulations of the scholarship.

Also, the culture of the school is important if you really liked Duquesne undergrad and did well there, why move? If you are eager to go to a bigger school then UPitt offers that. The actual legal education will be the same you will take Torts, Criminla Law, Civil Procedure etc at either school and typically when ABA schools are in the same city the same professor teaches at both schools. So I assume at either school you will have the same professor and read from the same textbook.

In summary there is no "right" choice, both schools will provide you with an opportunity to succeed. However, at the end of the day you will have to choose one and you will always wander what would happen if you choose differently, and you will simply never know, but it will likely end up fine.

If you want a little more reading material here is a great article on how to choose a law school.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: University of La Verne
« on: March 15, 2016, 01:13:57 PM »
Good for it, I know a lot of really smart and good attorneys from La Verne.

I also think its placement in the Inland Empire, gives it a pretty big advantage, because very few people want to move there. However, if you went to school in the area employment options are probably not bad.

Just like Cal-Northern a CBA accreddited school does well in Chico and San Joaquian Valley College of Law does great in San Joaquin Valley.

If La Verne was in Downtown L.A and competing with UCLA, USC, LMU, Southwestern, Pepperdine etc then it would be tough, but even Western State and Chapman do fine in Orange County and La Verne has its little niche as well.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: KU v. Washburn
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:51:47 PM »
Loki provides great advice and as I am sure he will agree nobody cares about what U.S. News Rankings thinks as it relates to the difference between Kansas and Washington. Remember that U.S. News is an unregulated for profit magazine offering it's subjective opinion. U.S. News is not doing anything wrong, by offering an opinion, but it doesn't mean you have to take it seriously.

There are polls and opinions that support Trump to be a good President, but that doesn't make it true for me.   Furthermore, as evidenced by the attached link the rankings change drastically year by year. In 2009 Kansas was in a multiple way tie for 65th. So if anyone enrolled in 2009 based on its' 2009 ranking, they would have been pretty disappointed when they graduated in 2012 and Kansas in a multiple way tie for 89th.

The same student that thought he was enrolling in the 69th best school in 2009, graduated from the 89th best school in 2012. However, do you think anyone cares about the difference between 65th and 89th? Not really.

With all that here is a pretty good article that might help you make your decision.

It is just to say that someone who attends Harvard can be disciplined the same as someone that attends a non-aba school. From my interaction with law students stuck in the bubble they think that if you attend a "top tier" school problems don't happen, but in the real world sh*t happens.

The real point is to simply use common sense etc, because I know many law students get wrapped up in the rankings and fail to do so. That is all.


Boalt's Law School Dean had to resign for "alleged" sexual misconduct his B.A. from Oxford and J.D. from Harvard does not guarantee anything and this could all be a false accusation from a  disgruntled employee or real, but this is just an example to those in the law school bubble who have all these feelings about rankings, etc that once your in the real world, real sh*t happens and success is based far more on "you" than your school.

Law School Admissions / Re: Teacher-Lawyer
« on: March 10, 2016, 02:21:37 PM »
Not to throw a rain your parade, but you can do a lot of hard-work as a lawyer to and there is no shortage of people that will criticize you. In fact, the criticism may be far worse than you experience as a teacher and people you are trying to help may not always like what you are doing. Particularly, when you send them a bill for your services.

This is not designed to discourage you from pursuing the law, I enjoy being a lawyer, but you need a thick skin for this profession as well. If the sole reason you are going to law school is to "help people" that you might want to reconsider, because any profession where you "help people" is going to require you to encounter people that don't want the help. The pricetag for law school is a lot more than a B.A.

With that you can certainly become a lawyer and succeed, but have realistic expectations.

More importantly, step 1 is to take the LSAT if you hate studying for that you will hate law school. Furthermore, if you don't do well enough on the LSAT to get into law school, then you may also want to consider, but just take the test it is costs $100 and a Saturday afternoon, which is a pretty small price to pay to determine if switching careers is an option.

As to schools there are three ABA shools in San Diego USD, Thomas Jefferson and Cal-Western and only one in Phoenix, University of Phoenix this is "not" the online University of Phoenix school.

There are also several schools in L.A. worth looking into, but again before even thinking about any of that take the LSAT and really also figure out what you expect from being a lawyer. You will not be adorned with admiration and feel a sense of helping people every day as an attorney either. Being a lawyer is a job with its pros and cons just like teaching, it is not the golden ticket to ultimate professional happiness.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Law School Offers
« on: March 09, 2016, 09:41:23 AM »
That means your accepted congrats. A lot of schools simply do it through email now.

If they have you a scholarship then that is gravy, but check the conditions on it and try to negotiate better terms.

Congrats on your acceptance!

Solid advice from Duncan and yea many law students over complicate first year. Really that is the hardest part of law school is not letting your mind run wild and using time efficiently. My first semester for example I probably spent 60-70 hours a week studying, but didn't do practice problems or study correctly and that was my worst semester.

I studied less after first semester, and did much better.

As to the CBE v. ABA debate law school is f'ing hard it will not be any easier at a CBE school. In fact, I think getting through a CBE school is probably harder than an ABA school.

At the end of the day if you pass the California Bar you will have opportunities, but it will not be a cakewalk.

Good luck to you.

There are tons of success stories from California Bar Schools. The Mayor of LA went to a law school that was neither ABA nor California Bar Accredited and he has a lot more power and influence than I do as an ABA law school grad.

I also had a friend at my ABA school that was dismissed, she was smart, but did not take school seriously first semester at all and she performed poorly. However, after getting hit by reality she reached an agreement with the school that if she passed the Baby Bar exam that they would let her back in. She passed the baby bar and went on to graduate one year after me and passed the bar on her first try and she has a great job now. So you can be readmitted, but there was clearly a major issue that you need to rectify, which can be done, but you need to be honest with yourself.

As to the question regarding CBA schools many do well in particular locations. For example Cal-Northern in Chico is a great place to attend if you want to live in Chico, because there are no other schools in the area, which means there is a huge lack of lawyers in the area.

Or Monterey College of Law as well as San Joaquin College of Law also work well if you want to live in those areas.

So in summary, yes there are success stories and it is certainly possible you could be one of them. However, if you were dismissed in your first semester you need to really analyze what you went wrong. If you attend a Cal Bar school you will have to take the Baby Bar after 1L and if you don't pass your out. (At least that is my understanding as a random guy on the internet, which means nothing).

Furthermore, you will have to pass the California Bar and I can tell you 1L is a cakewalk compared to the bar exam and if you struggled with 1L and do not figure out what went wrong, even if you graduate you may not pass the bar, which is one of the major cons of Cal Bar schools the bar passage rates are terrible. People do pass from Cal-Bar schools and people do fail from ABA schools, and the test is just a terrible experience for anyone.

The real thing you need to do is figure out what went wrong. You either did not put the effort in, did not understand how to approach law school, or maybe your mind just doesn't work the way it needs to for law school.  I am sure it is probably lack of effort or understanding how to approach law school, which can be fixed, but you need to figure out the issue.

So yes you can succeed, but you will need to take a good hard look at yourself and ways you can improve.

Good luck!

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