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General Board / Re: Best time to get married while in law school
« on: March 12, 2009, 02:45:34 AM »
And combining a post-bar trip with a honeymoon works well. :)

We're doing a combined 1 year anniv/post bar trip... well, unless my firm pushes our start date back, which might push our move date and europe trip back  :-\

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General Board / Re: Best time to get married while in law school
« on: March 12, 2009, 02:40:26 AM »
This might get long...

I got engaged May of my 1L year and got married August of my 2L year. I immediately ruled out 3L summer because I didn't want to be distracted with wedding stuff while I was studying for the bar, and I wanted time to go on a honeymoon. This left me winter break, spring break, summer before SA job, or summer after SA job of my 2L year.

I chose the end of my 2L summer -- this left me one week off after my job ended for last minute details and travel (my original flight was cancelled due to a storm -- in AUGUST -- so build in time just in case), a weekend for the wedding, one week for a honeymoon, and then classes started.

My second choice would have been 2L summer between exams ending and SA job starting, but you'll be pretty distracted so keep that in mind. I also have a classmate who just got married during spring break, but I enjoyed the time off before the wedding since I was getting married cross-country from where I go to law school and had last minute things to take care of. I have another classmate (a guy) getting married this summer while studying for the bar, and I think that's a bad idea. They are going on a honeymoon in November, and it's bound to be distracting. You'll either get distracted from your studying or be a miserable grouchy bride...

Even if you get married after the bar, you'll be distracted with last minute wedding stuff and why add one more thing to your plate?

FWIW, my firm had a 12 week summer program and it ended Aug 8 -- I got married the 17th, took an 8 day honeymoon, and had one day off before classes started.

If you have any questions send me a message -- and congrats!  ;D

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General Board / How much student loans do you have?
« on: March 12, 2009, 02:26:58 AM »
$0

$1-5k

$5k-20k

$20k - 50k

$50k-100k

$100k-150k

$150k - $225k

$225k+

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General Board / Re: Top 20% vs. top 21%
« on: February 07, 2008, 01:28:05 AM »
Agreed. Firms with strict cutoffs might rule you out, but talk to career services. Ours says if you just miss a cutoff you can put something like:

GPA: 3.48 (Top 10% = 3.49)

It shows that you just barely missed the cutoff. If you got a 3.49 you can just put:

GPA: 3.49 (Top 10%)

However, you might want to check with your CSO before doing the first option, just in case some schools feel differently about that. If a firm sees how close you were to the cutoff, then they might be more willing to look past it.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Hours of studying???
« on: February 07, 2008, 01:22:19 AM »
When people say "study" do they mean actually studying the material, or does doing your reading for class count too?

I "study" maybe 1 hour a week aside from doing my readings and briefing/taking notes on the material (which I did religiously 1L year, and occasionally or not at all now as a 2L). Maybe a few hours a day preparing for class depending on the assignments. I've also put in a lot of time on writing assignments (seminar papers, legal writing etc).

I study much more toward the end of the semester.

Top 10% 1L, top 20% 2L.

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General Board / Re: Help on deciding what to do this summer
« on: February 03, 2008, 09:32:07 PM »
Yeah, that's why I wouldn't listen to the guy at a T3/T4 who couldn't get interviews with biglaw. 

1L summer employment isn't NECESSARY to get a job, but good 1L summer employment is certainly helpful... 

1L employment isn't NECESSARY to get a job (assuming you are taking "employment" to mean a 1L firm job -- you need to do SOMETHING your 1L summer) -- but those with 1L firm jobs usually have great grades, strong resumes, soft factors, and interview skills that help them with the 2L job search as well. A friend took an unpaid public interest 1L job but is on law review and will be working at a V10 her 2L summer so again, a 1L firm job isn't necessary.

Basically as a 1L you want something interesting to talk about during 2L interviews. Some of my classmates went abroad and took classes (got 6 credits to transfer) which sounded pretty cool and lightens your courseload. A 1L firm job can be a good or bad thing. It was nice to have a return offer, but it made me slack off during interview season (I only applied to a handful of other firms because I liked my 1L firm). It's a lot less stressful, but you might be limiting your options.

For 1L summer, do whatever you prefer. It shouldn't make a huge difference which you choose.

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General Board / Re: curious
« on: February 03, 2008, 06:49:31 PM »
My scholarship covers up to 4 years of study (so I could have done a dual degree for free) but I decided to stick with the JD only. I briefly considered a JD/MSW but after doing some research realized that you don't really need both, if you want to practice law you don't need the MSW and if you want to practice social work you don't really need the JD.

I'm also ready to be done with school and I'm only a 2L! I do know a surprising amount of dual degree students though (JD/PhD, JD/MSW, JD/MBA, MD/Phd)

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-Bar Law Degree
« on: February 03, 2008, 06:45:11 PM »
Heres the real question folks. If you have ABA preference then why waste your time on the non-aba section of this forum that is meant for people who are into it? That would be like someone who hates state defence forces going to http://www.vajoe.com 

I didn't realize this post was in a non-ABA section until after my post went through -- I clicked on it because it was one of the "most recent posts" on the main page. I didn't even know there was a whole area dedicated to non-ABA schools until today. I feel a little guilty now, but I stand by everything I said.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Non-Bar Law Degree
« on: February 03, 2008, 04:35:06 PM »
Non-ABA schools may use the same books and study guides and teach similar classes, but then again you can always buy those books on your own and teach yourself. A major reason people go to law school (aside from a "quest for legal knowledge") is to get a job - this involves being able to sit for the bar, and for most people the ability to get hired.

Going to a non-ABA school greatly affects your ability to sit for the bar and your ability to get hired. If want to practice in a state that allows non-ABA graduates to sit for the bar and have a job lined up at a relative's firm or want to go out on your own, maybe the difference won't be as dramatic.

I'd say virtually every applicant would choose an ABA accredited school over a non-ABA school if they had the option. A non-ABA school might be better than nothing (depending on your circumstances it might not) but a lot of it comes down to self-selection. If the top professors and students are choosing ABA schools and most employers are hiring from ABA schools, that alone says something. You learn from your classmates, and also build relationships with them and alum from your school.


I'm not saying non-ABA schools have never produced a successful attorney, but I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks non-ABA schools are on the same level as their ABA counterparts. I can't really speak to ABA schools like Cooley, etc but I'd imagine there's more to ABA accreditation than the number of seats in the library.



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2L job search / Re: Laser Printer? wtf?
« on: February 02, 2008, 05:59:42 PM »
I sent my first mass-mailings out with resume paper and matching envelopes, printed on a laser printer (which I already had). The envelopes are a total waste because they are thrown out before they reach the attys desk, and the paper can go either way. Sometimes they just photocopy it anyway and pass them out to the committee so they won't know the difference. A laser printed page might photocopy a tiny bit better?

I saved a lot of money and time e-mailing subsequent resumes/cover letters as pdfs, which many firms say they prefer. This lets you avoid the whole printer/paper issue and speeds up the process.

However, for in-person encounters it's nice to have resume paper. Probably not necessary but makes a good impression.

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