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Current Law Students / Re: Did you use an admissions consultant??
« on: March 09, 2008, 09:46:02 AM »
I'm beginning to agree that it may be a waste of money but I'll play devil's advocate just to make sure.

StevePirates wrote, "If you are on the lower borderline of the schools you want to go to, then it might be worth your while".  Well, we're all on (or were on) the borderline with respect to our "reach" schools so would it not make sense for those who apply to a "reach" school to seek a little assistance and don't most people apply to at least one "reach" school? My thoughts are that you're really paying $1500 for a consultant so they can push you over that imaginary line and get you into that "reach" school.

One last point, if money were no object, wouldn't we all leverage off a consultant?  And that being said, doesn't that point to the notion that there may be, how ever small, some utility in getting a little professional help with applications?

Thanks again for the good advice.  Isn't there at least one person out there who used a consultant and can speak to the other side of this topic?

Current Law Students / Did you use an admissions consultant??
« on: March 08, 2008, 06:40:16 PM »
I know this is a forum for students and graduates but I figured this group would probably have more insight than folks on the pre-law forum on this matter.   :)

Did any of you use an admissions consultant? If so, which admissions consulting service did you use?

I just want to feel like I didn't leave any stones unturned when this process is over some time next year. Dropping $1500 on a consultant may be money well spent if it means I get into my target school, but then again, how does one measure such a thing. It's probably more mental than anything else. A hedge would be to spend half that on a service that would look over my PS. I don't have money to burn but $1500 for a consultant would only be a fraction of what I'll eventually spend for three years of LS.

How many of you had a service look over your PSs?

Thanks for the constructive advice in advance.

Current Law Students / Re: ROTC? Could use some advice..
« on: January 01, 2008, 10:06:42 PM »
Roger...thanks. ;)

Current Law Students / Re: ROTC? Could use some advice..
« on: January 01, 2008, 09:44:49 PM »

Not to steal the thread but I have a question.

Is experience required for all ADA positions?

I imagine it depends on the district (NY or Little County, USA).

Is it possible to land an ADA job straight out of LS assuming you've got all the checks in the box (moot court, proper electives,etc,...)?


Current Law Students / Re: ROTC? Could use some advice..
« on: January 01, 2008, 08:45:32 PM »
First question is...what was the Article 15 (NJP) for?

I think this could potentially be a deal breaker for an officer program and the JAG.  Have you spoken with any Navy folks (Officer or JAG recruiter) in order to determine how an Article 15 will play with a selection board?  Will an Article 15 affect your ability to gain a clearance (secret, TS, other)? 

As for the benefit of a military retirement...well, it's all relative.
If you retire at age 42 as a LCDR your retirement benefit will be around 30K a year.  Assuming you live for an additional 40 years, you're looking at about 1,462,000K before taxes, in current dollars, in addition to health care for you and your dependents forever, and many other benefits that become quite significant when added up over 40 years.  Not bad considering you'll only be 42 and can begin a second career at that point. 

About ROTC...maybe I'm wrong but I thought ROTC was a program you attend as an undergrad'.  Do you mean OCS (I think the AF calls it OTS)?  If the JAG thing falls through, why not do OCS and be commissioned in 12 weeks?  What's the point of ROTC?   

Current Law Students / Re: Navy after law school - not as a JAG
« on: December 23, 2007, 03:45:30 PM »
I'm a LT in the Navy and have been flying F-18s for 6 years.  I attended OCS after college and will be getting out next year and going to law school.

I'll be honest with you, nobody is going to care that you went to law school and a JD won't lead to any kind of "fast track" promoting as another poster mentioned.  All that matters for promotion are fitness reports (FitReps) which are annual evaluations of your job performance. These FitReps determine who promotes and if you promote on the first look. No where on this FitRep is there an area that list education.  Law school may help you get into the Navy and get that specific job you're looking for in the Navy, but once you're in it will not contribute to your career.  Your boss in the Navy will only know that you have a JD if you tell him and he's the one that signs your FitRep.  Listing the JD on your OCS application will help, but once you're in everybody is on a level playing field and merit it all that matters. 

If you decide to go through OCS and become and officer, expect your first tour to be a three year sea tour.  Now that doesn't mean you'll be at sea for three years, all it means is that you'll be attached to a command that goes to sea.  On average plan to do two cruises (6-8 months each) during this first sea tour.  Following your sea tour, you'll go to what's called a shore tour for about 33 months.  As the term implies, you will not go to sea during this period.  After that it's back for a sea tour and the wheel goes round and round....sea tour...then shore tour...then sea tour.

Have you given any thought to what you might like to do in the Navy (intel, pilot, NFO, crypto', supply, etc...)?  I recommend you speak with an Officer Recruiter not to be confused with an Enlisted Recruiter.  If you apply to OCS, you'll list your top three job/community choices.  If accepted, you'll know prior to attending OCS what community you'll be joining after OCS.  You choose a job before going to OCS.  If you go intel', you'll attend Intel' School in Damnik (sp?), VA for 6 months.  After that you'll report to your first command, which could be with a SEAL unit, aircraft squadron, ship, or any other number of commands located around the world.  You will have some choice here but most of it comes down to the "needs of the Navy".  Some duty stations are great (San Diego), some not so much (Fallon,NV).  Expect to move every three years.  If your future wife has a career, unless she's a teacher or nurse, expect challenges.  Your career will be the priority because you'll have no choice.

Yup, the money sucks as an Ensign but you'll make LTJG two years later and LT two years after that (the promotions are automatic at this level).  Once you make LT the money isn't that bad. Also, keep in mind that much of it isn't taxed (i.e., housing/food allowance) and depending on your state of residency (which you can select) you may not pay state income tax (I'm a FL resident and pay no state taxes).

I commend you for feeling the need to serve your country.

Good luck!

Current Law Students / Re: Nativity scene on a military base?
« on: December 23, 2007, 09:56:12 AM »

'tis the season.   ;D

What's your gut feeling on this scenario....yes/no?

Current Law Students / Nativity scene on a military base?
« on: December 21, 2007, 03:55:06 PM »
1.Is a nativity scene located in front of a nondenominational chapel on a US military base in violation of the "Establishment Clause" and/or the "Endorsement Test"?

2.Is it right to assume that the base chapel is nondenominational, and devoid of any religious symbols inside and out, in order to not violate the Establishment Clause/Endorsement Test?

4.And, if so, wouldn't that same line of reasoning lead one to conclude that a nativity scene located 50 feet from the chapel, placed there by the military chaplain, is potentially in violation of the "Establishment Clause" and/or the "Endorsement Test"?

5.If my second point is false, can one assume that it would then be legal to adorn the chapel with only Christian iconography and not be in violation of the Establishment Clause/Endorsement Test?

6.Is it relevant whether the chaplain bought the nativity scene with his own money or if it was purchased with government funds?

BTW, the chaplain drives a Lexus.  I've always found it strange that some "men of the cloth" choose to drive $50K cars....but I digress.

What are your thoughts?

Wow, thanks for all the great advice. thanks for taking the time to answer a few of my questions.

It seems to me the consensus is that it can be done albeit with careful planning and a few sacrifices.  That being said, if I can't land a reserve job with a non-deploying squadron (I'm a pilot/0-3,0-4 when I get out next year) and be assured that I won't "get the call-up" then I'm in...otherwise, forget it, it's not worth the money to have the Sword of Damocles hanging over my head for three years, I'll just have to take loans.  That might sound a little greedy but I will have served my country for over 10 years and have done a few deployments at that point.


Thanks for the good advice.  Not studying on must work your a$$ off during the week.  From what you said, it doesn't sound like missing one weekend a month would be a big deal.  As for the internship...I'll have to cross that bridge when I get to it and hope to find a firm that might be understanding about my military commitment/service and see it as a good thing.  Also, I'll only commit to the reserves if I can get in with a non-deploying squadron, they do exist.

The JAG program you mentioned is great but I'm too senior to apply and I'm ready to move on after almost 10 years in the Navy.

Thanks again.

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