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Nice.  looks like we'll all be classmates!  I haven't decided for sure, but I would say I'm about 99%.  I'm super excited about the PNW.  It will be a whole new experience for me. 

Be sure to introduce yourself on the UW 2011 mailing list if you decide to go!  Any chance you can make it to the moot court finals next week?

Accepted: Michigan, UCLA, Minnesota, U. of Washington, Northeastern, Pittsburgh, Temple

Good to see I'm not the only one who turned down UCLA to go to UW.  :D

Okay, and a UW related question, any word on scholarships/financial aid?  It looks like only one person on LSN has reported a scholarship, but it doesn't mean there aren't more out there already.  I'm not really expecting one with my low GPA, but I'm curious. 

I have pretty strong numbers for UW, but they didn't offer money; I'll be on federal loans.  I've turned down scholarships at other similarly-ranked schools to go there.  Yes, I probably should have my head examined, but that's another story.

I met with the financial aid coordinator when I was up there in January, and he said that funds are very limited for non-Washington residents.  There are two pools of money: university funds (which are relatively plentiful, but can only go to WA residents) and law school funds (which are not as restricted, but there isn't as much to go around).  So I get the impression that they're relatively stingy with scholarship aid, at least when it comes to non-residents.

The good news is that you should qualify for a waiver of the difference between out-of-state and in-state tuition in your 2L and 3L years, provided you remain a resident of the state for the whole year.  I need to contact their financial aid office to make sure that that doesn't include visiting my parents, etc.  And in-state tuition there is dirt-cheap as law schools go.

Nice, that all sounds great.  Except maybe the 60% female thing, is that true?

Not quite 60%; it's 56.8% women according to their profile in the LSAC Official Guide.  But it does seem to counter the general stereotype that law school = sausagefest.

And that is just fine with me. :)

I'm from the SF Bay Area, but I've always seen myself ending up in the Pacific Northwest, so it's a no-brainer to go to the top law school in the region.

Hell, I'm passing on USC and UCLA to go to UW -- I know I want to practice in Seattle, they're both too expensive, and they would both involve living in LA for three years.  No, thanks.

There's a tiny chance that I'll get into Northwestern when they start getting back to their on-hold people in the next few weeks, but judging from the results for others with my numbers (3.93/165), I'm not sanguine about my prospects there.  So I've put down my deposit, and I'm 98% certain that I'm going.


We just learned that the course schedules will be changed in two key ways for next year.  1) The first-year curriculum gains an international law class  2) Many (most?) upper-level courses will end in May.

I know UW is big on their Asian law programme.  I would love to take an i-law class 1L.

Switching to year-long classes... hrm... well, I'm told that there's been a tendency to compress a year's worth of torts or property or whatever into two quarters, so perhaps that will take some of the pressure off.

The crazy-loud buzzers are room specific, and there's an on-off switch.

I sat in on Torts with Wolcher back in January (I went up there for the WA Court of Appeals session) and there was no buzzer.  I imagined that they kept it off because the room was used as a courtroom as well as a classroom.

You also may like to know that 1) there are tons of events

I was told by a 2L that law students shouldn't have to pay for lunch; some company or firm or club or something is always giving food to hungry law students.

2) the librarians rock

UW has the top-ranked law librarian master's program in the country.

3) technology is seamlessly integrated into just about everything

I got the impression that many of the lectures are podcasted (but you have to be enrolled in the class in order to download the podcasts), which I might imagine will make exam review a lot easier.

The more I think about it, the more excited I get to start school at UW.  I sit at my desk and go, "Is it September yet?  Is it September yet?  Is it September yet?"

One black mark about UW: they kind of don't have a dean right now.  They offered the job to one person, but she turned it down (for "personal reasons").  I suspect that that's at least part of the reason why UW is languishing at the bottom of the T30.


"How about now?  Is it September yet?"

I agree with all but your first point.  If the first quarter covers 10% of your grade, then the second quarter covers 90%.  Imagine taking a final in March that includes material from the previous September.  Not a good introduction to law school IMHO.  I'd rather get it all over with in one quarter.

My $0.02 (as an incoming member of the UW Class of 2011 who has fidgeted over this decision myself): Remember that there are three quarters in an academic year.  According to, Basic Legal Skills is the only year-long course.  CivPro, Contracts, and Torts are all Fall-Winter.  ConLaw and Property are Winter-Spring.  Criminal Law is Spring only.  So you'll have three finals at the end of Winter quarter and four (assuming BLS has a final, which it might not, I don't know) at the end of Spring quarter.

Your point about having a final in March that includes material from September is a good one, but consider that students at schools on the semester system take year-long classes, too: they have finals in May on stuff from September.

What concerns me is that winter quarter: two overlapping sets of classes!  OMGREADINGOVERLOAD!

I have been told by a UW 2L that I've chatted with online that the challenge for UW students on the quarter system is with summer employment.  The last quarter ends a few weeks after the semester ends at most other schools, so you wind up getting screwed out of a few weeks' pay and your fellow associates have already started to bond by the time you show up.  And I believe that's even if you take a compressed 2L spring quarter.  But some firms are cutting back their summer associate employment (downturn in the economy, don't you know), so you might not wind up getting screwed out of much compared to your peers.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Washington School of Law
« on: February 07, 2008, 12:40:23 AM »
Additionally, it appears as if gaining residency is a bit tricky for out-of-staters, keeping tuition costs up (although still quite low comparatively - in-state at UW is ridiculously low).

Huh?  Wouldn't gaining residency be impossible for out of staters?  Don't you retain the status of your first year at most schools?

I thought this too since I'm from Washington and it is impossible to change resident status during school in Washington.  Apparently some states allow you to switch to local tuition in the second year if you jump through the right hoops.  Check out,16454.10.html

I was just at UW a few weeks ago myself (I've been accepted there, and they invited me for the state Court of Appeals sitting on January 23rd) and I met the financial aid director.  He said that the university's rules changed recently so that people who move there solely for educational purposes can't become eligible for in-state tuition... BUT... the university made a deal with its graduate and professional schools to allow them to waive out-of-state tuition after the first year of the program if the student establishes prima facie WA residency (so getting a WA driver's license, registering your car there, registering to vote there, etc.).  So you would pay out-of-state tuition in your 1L year, but in-state tuition in your 2L and 3L years.

I found more information on their web site: (scroll down to "Graduate and professional non-resident students" about half-way down the page).

Apparently it's also tough for out-of-staters to get scholarships, since university funds aren't available to non-WA residents; the law school has its own funds, but those are limited, so you have more people competing for pieces of a smaller pie.

What's interesting is that, being a Californian, it's cheaper to go to UW as an out-of-stater than it is to go to Boalt/UCLA as a Californian.  Of course, I'd probably make more after graduation, too, but it might be a wash -- I haven't crunched the numbers.

BTW -- of the schools I've been accepted to thus far, UW is definitely my top choice.  It's a beautiful building, small classes, approachable faculty and staff (I sat in on a copyrights class and had a great discussion with the prof about fair use, and the admissions director took time out of her day to give me a tour of the building without having to make an appointment!), in a beautiful part of the country where I'd like to eventually settle down.  I'm still waiting to hear from the Michigans and Northwesterns and Boalts of the world, but I could be a very happy law student at UW.

Yes -- I applied to a total of sixteen schools (poverty = LSAC fee waiver = yay!).  I'm in at William & Mary and U Washington, which were some of my safety schools (and if those were my safety schools, life isn't bad at all).

I was also deferred from early action at Cornell, but at least they said I'd hear from them in February.

I just phoned the admissions office at NWUSL and they said they'll actually start looking at hold people again in mid-April, so there's hope yet.

And U Chicago is the greatest, but my LSAT score makes it the reachiest of the reach schools to which I applied, so I'm not the least bit sanguine about my prospects there.  Northwestern is my favourite school of the schools that I actually have a snowball's chance of getting into.

I got a hold letter from Northwestern today.  Harumph.

I've instructed LSDAS to send them my other two LORs (in addition to the two I already sent to Northwestern) and I'll work on the 'letter of continuing interest' tomorrow.  I'll be ordering my transcript with fall grades (I got one A- my last semester at UC Berkeley, grr) on Wednesday when they become available.

I don't think I can retake the LSAT, since I was absent for the December LSAT (violently ill) and I sent e-mails to all of the schools I'd applied to telling them that I wasn't planning to retake it again this cycle.

But here's what gets me -- they say they'll get back to me in May?  May?!  Most of the other schools have deadlines in early to mid-April.  It does say that if they can make a decision earlier, they will, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

It's frustrating -- NW is my new favourite school (since my LSAT score pretty much keeps me out of U Chicago).

Remind me why I'm doing this again...

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