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Where should I go next fall? / SMU or BYU?
« on: March 04, 2009, 03:36:38 PM »
So I am married w/ 2 small kids.  164/2.75, non URM.  Here is what I know/think/feel about SMU and BYU respectively:

SMU
-About 19% get jobs in Big-Law (NJL 250)
-About 40% get jobs in firms larger than 100 attorneys
-About 5% get clerkships
-About 2% unemployed 9 months after graduation
-A guy i know (worked in Dallas big law for 4 years) said that the top third of the class has no trouble getting jobs, the middle third has to look a little, and the bottom third has to claw a bit
- Visited Dallas and loved the school and the area.  Can definitely see myself settling down there (I'm from pacific northwest)
- I have contacts who are attorneys in Dallas.
-Tuition (with scholarship) will be about $20k/year.  There is a very high possibility my second and third years will be paid for do to the Trade Act Assistance (another topic)

BYU
-About 15% get big-law jobs (NJL 250)
-About 30% get jobs with firms larger than 100 attorneys
-About 15% get clerkships
-About 10% UNEMPLOYED 9 months after graduation
-I'm cool with living in provo, although honestly I would probably rather live in Dallas. 
-Tuition will be about $8k/year (same probability that second and third years will be paid for)


Right now I am definitely leaning towards SMU.  It just seems (based on the numbers and on the contacts) like that Job prospects are better in Dallas than in Salt Lake City.  Granted, BYU's rep is more national than SMU, but I would rather go to law school and plant roots, rather than have to move my family all over for 1L and 2L jobs.

Anyway, Is my thinking here justified?  Is SMU worth the added tuition?  I just want to see what you all think.  Thanks!


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In at American and University of Kentucky ;D.  Wait-listed at Northeastern (my school of choice), Miami, and Loyola Chicago :-[.  I guess that is what a 164 and a 2.75 will do to you...  You never know what schools will think about you.  Neither rankings nor the LSAC UGPA/LSAT tool would have "predicted" my outcomes so far this cycle.  If anything, I was thinking the opposite would have happened.

But anyway, my lesson learned (and I am grateful that I anticipated this happening) and my advice to splitters is this - you need to apply to a wide range of schools both geographically and by the rankings, because you just don't know what your app is gonna look like to the adcomms.

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Does U. Chicago always call with an acceptance?  My status updated a couple days ago to "decision mailed" or something like that, but I got no phone call.  I assume it's because my decision is a rejection (no surprise at all), but thought I would see what the experiences of others reveals.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Tell me what you know about Kentucky.
« on: December 19, 2008, 10:05:54 PM »
Hey thanks for the post!

I'm from the west, but I'm not married to it by any means.  I'm definitely open to planting roots in kentucky after I graduate.

I am likely headed to UK Law in the fall, so I will try and help you all I can.  Of course you can always message me if I don't answer your questions here.  UK is absolutely the best school in the state of KY, significantly better than U of L and NKU in terms of reputation.  I will say that I am especially excited about going there because I am a Kentucky resident and plan to stay here.  I know that last year about 85% of the graduating class stayed in the state to work, so if you want connections outside of this region, I would say it might not be your best shot.  But with that said, UK is a public school and very affordable.  I feel like the graduates have a pretty good time getting jobs and the bar passage rate is phenomenal (95% for 1st time takers in KY last year). 

Lexington itself is a good size (about 250,000 in the Fayette-County metro area) and there is plenty to do in terms of sporting events.  If it gets too boring, you are about a 1.5 hour drive to Cincinnati (population of about 2 million).  UK's campus is pretty beautiful I think, but I must warn you that the law building was built in 1965 and is a bit outdated in many ways.  But there is a new building on the horizon to be completed about 5 years from now.

That's about all I can think of for now.  Let me know what else you are curious about.  I go to university about 30 minutes from UK, so I am quite familiar with it.

Where are you from? Are you looking to stay in this region after graduation? I think the answer to that question would help you decide if UK is right for you.

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So I posted this in the Review thread, and then realized its pretty much dead. (seriously, didn't mean to rhyme that)  Anywhooooo....

So I got accepted to U. Kentucky a couple days ago.  I'm really excited cuz with my stats (2.75, 164, white male, decent extras) I don't know that I'll get accepted into any schools that are markedly better.  Plus it's my first piece of good mail (damn Miami and their wait-list!) and I'll never forget my first   I do live on the other side of the country, so beyond horse racing and basketball, I don't know ANYTHING about the state, the city, or the school.  I'd appreciate anything insight - pros, cons, and otherwise - that you all can offer.  Thanks a lot!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Tell me what you know about Kentucky.
« on: December 18, 2008, 12:45:22 AM »
So I got accepted to U. Kentucky a couple days ago.  I'm really excited cuz with my stats (2.75, 164, white male, decent extras) I don't know that I'll get accepted into any schools that are markedly better.  Plus it's my first piece of good mail (damn Miami and their wait-list!) and I'll never forget my first :-*  I do live on the other side of the country, so beyond horse racing and basketball, I don't know ANYTHING about the state, the city, or the school.  I'd appreciate anything insight - pros, cons, and otherwise - that you all can offer.  Thanks a lot!

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Law School Applications / Re: THE MAIL CALL THREAD
« on: December 18, 2008, 12:36:47 AM »
Eh, I feel a little inadequate posting after all these *ahem* Harvard types, but I got my acceptance EMAIL from University of Kentucky a couple days ago (said congrats and the official letter is on the way, but wanted to catch me before the holidays).  Pretty good for me since I've got a 2.75 and a 164 with good "extras."  Plus it's my first one, and you always remember your first.  :-*

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Ehh, do you happen to be one of these friendly Uchicago Law posters?  You know anything about the "decision pending" status?  HAve any idea when our decisions will be forthcoming?

Good luck, guys.  If you ever have questions or need anything, let me know.  There are a lot of friendly UChicago Law posters on this website.

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If they reject me, I'll submit that addendum and ask them to reconsider their decision.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!  With Obama getting elected I wonder if applications are going up there.  Maybe you should submit an addendum regarding the testes-donation thing, you never know what soft factors might put you over the top  :D

Good luck!  Here's to us joining the Chicago class of 2012!


i'm in the same boat.  i've been checking my status on the chicago website compulsively and just got the "decision pending" thing come up today.  i assume that it means they will make a decision within the next day or two, and then we'll find out either by email or phone right away, or a couple days later via snail mail.


Yeah I was kind of thinking that they've made their decision but just need to "process" it and get it in their database or whatever.  At any rate I'm intrigued because your numbers are considerably better than mine, and I think you'll get in.  But at the same time I was sort of thinking that they would update the "accepts" on one day and the rejects on another.  So the fact that they have updating us both at the same time has given me the slightest glimmer of hope.  I would seriously give either one of my man-potatoes (but not both) to go to U. Chicago.  Left or right.  I'd give either one. :)

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I would seriously give either one of my man-potatoes (but not both) to go to U. Chicago.  Left or right.  I'd give either one. :)


Wow dude. You want this badly. I want to go to law school, but I refuse to offer either of my man-potatoes.

Hey what can I say I'm all man.  One will get the job done just fine for me.  And to all you T-14 ad comm trolls out there, if you are interested in exchaning admission to your fine school in exchange for one of my fine, surgically removed man-potatoes, PM me and I'll get my application in. ;D

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