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I just finished law school, am a science major, and will be doing IP law, so maybe I can offer you some insight.

The patent bar requires you to have a bachelors degree in science or engineering.  There is a list of majors that qualify you to take the patent bar.  If you don't have one of those majors you can also qualify by taking a certain number of science classes in designated areas.  Chemistry isn't a listed major, but I would guess you could qualify based on the courses you have taken.  Check out this website for info about the patent bar.  http://www.uspto.gov/ip/boards/oed/grb.pdf.  Passing the Fundamentals of Engineering exam is one way of qualifying to take the patent bar, but since you have a science major there is no reason to take it because you would likely qualify anyway.  It doesn't make sense for a Chemistry major to try to take an engineering exam anyway.

You do not need to go to law school to take the patent bar.  If you pass it without going to law school, you will not be a patent attorney, you will be a patent agent.  This means you can prosecute (write) patents, but cannot litigate patents (go to court to invalidate a patent or uphold a patent).  Therefore, if you only want to write patents and have no desire to go to court, then taking the patent bar might be a better idea for you than law school.  If you go to law school but don't take the patent bar, you can litigate patents but you cannot write patents.  The only way to be qualified to write patents is passing the patent bar, whether you go to law school or not. 


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Wait List / Re: BC WL
« on: August 28, 2008, 09:59:00 PM »
BC ended up being over enrolled this year.  They told us on the first day of orientation that our class is almost 300 and it is usually around 270.  From that I would guess that no one got off the waiting list. 

I don't know if anyone cares about this anymore or not, but I thought I'd post it in case someone is curious.  I know I was curious last year about how many people got off the waiting lists I was on, and maybe students from next year's cycle might be interested in what happened this year...

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Thanks again for all the advice.  This has helped me a lot! 

In doing my own research, I found a website that lists the firms in every state along with salaries for the first 8 years and information about billable hour requirements.  It seems like the starting salaries in Boston are much much higher than Minneapolis, they get much larger raises, and there are more high paying firms.  It seems like the job prospects are so much better that I could make up for the extra $50,000 more easily than I had originally thought. 

In case anyone else wants to check it out,
http://www.infirmation.com/shared/insider/payscale.tcl

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Thanks for the great perspective!  It's nice to hear from someone with experience in all these places.

As for familiarity with the schools, I went to U of MN for undergrad and have been to Madison quite a few times.  I've visited the law school twice and have gone to Halloween a couple times too.  I agree that it's a great undergrad town, but I am a little worried that it won't be as great for grad school.  Unless law schools drives me to be a crazy State St. partier!  I visited Boston College and really liked the area and I loved Boston.  I like that BC is away from the undergrad campus a bit.  I've been out of undergrad for 3 years, so I'm not that psyched to hang out with them anymore. 

I'm really not sure where I want to live when I'm done with school.  I'm really not that interested in Chicago and I know absolutely for sure I don't want to live in Milwaukee.  I think if I were to live in the midwest, I'd be in Minneapolis.  In general, the places I could most see myself living are Boston, New York, San Fransisco, Minneapolis, Colorado, or Europe.  So it's looking like BC is going to have better prospects for almost all those areas...

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Thanks everyone for the advice!

lawboy- I actually would prefer Minnesota over Madison.  I think we just have been discussing the other 2 because I've already gotten into those.  I'm deferred at the U of MN.  If I get in there, my choice will be between MN and Boston College. 

I know technically the U of MN is ranked higher than BC, but not by enough to make a significant difference.  It doesn't seem to me like the job opportunities coming from Minnesota are that great for such a highly ranked school.  I think the job prospects are great in Minneapolis, but I don't know how hard it is to get jobs outside the midwest.

Does anyone know how hard it is to get jobs on the coasts from U of MN or Madison?  Is it maybe top 10%?  Top third?  Do many people from Minnesota go to Chicago?

I am also interested in working in Europe at some point.  Which school would be the best for getting a job out of the country?

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I'm glad to see a BC troll on here!  I thought you and bamf might be too busy with finals to convince me to go to BC!

I agree that it does depend on where I want to live, but the problem is that I don't know where I want to live! 

ImACuckoo- Are you going to BC in the fall, or are you already a student there?

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Haha, thanks for your unbias opinion  ;)  Did I meet you at ASW?

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Where should I go next fall? / Boston College, Madison, or U of MN?
« on: May 06, 2008, 07:39:38 PM »
I have been debating over this for quite a while, so I thought I would ask for some help.  I have narrowed my choices down to Boston College and Madison, and I am deferred at the University of Minnesota, so I thought I'd throw that one in here too. 

I guess I would like to go to Boston the most, but it will cost me about $15,000 a year more than the other schools.  I don't really know where I want to live when I'm done with school, so I would like to keep my options open as much as possible.  I'm from the midwest and would like the chance to live somewhere else, but I am having a lot of trouble with the idea of paying around $50,000 more to go to a city I'd rather be in.  Educationally they are all great schools, and they are all somewhat regional when it comes to jobs...So is it really worth that much more money to go to Boston?  From what I can tell, a degree from Boston will probably be a little more national than one from the other schools, but will my job prospects be that much better that they would make up for the extra cost?

Any advice?

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I think you have to look into whether a European degree can be used here after you get an LLM.  Maybe if you tell them that it would take longer (5 years for the European law degree vs. 3 years for the American one) they would take it a little better.  If your ultimate goal is to work in the US, it's going to take you 5 years for the European degree plus 1 year for the LLM.  So it's going to take you twice as long to end up in the same place.

You could do quite a bit of work for them while still getting a degree here.  You could spend both your summers there plus at least 1 semester.  I know Washington and Lee changed their curriculium so your entire last year is spent in an internship, so maybe you could do your entire last year there.  (I don't know much about their program and if it can be done abroad, but just another thing to look into).

Is this an American company based in Europe, or is it a European company?

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I am by no means an expert, but as far as I know, law school is very different in Europe.  Usually they start "law school" right after high school and go for 5 years.  It isn't something you get an undergrad degree in and then go on to a graduate program.  I think that you have to at least get an LLM to practice in the US with a European law degree, but I have heard that it varies from state to state.  I have met 2 people with law degrees from different countries (not European ones) that are doing all of their law school over in the US because they can't practice in the US with their degrees plus an LLM.

So my recommendation would be to get your degree in the US if you want to practice here.

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