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Affirmative Action / Re: AA: More harm than good?
« on: April 03, 2008, 09:34:38 AM »
Dang, I need a cookie.  I'm going to get a cookie and ponder your question.  I hope you're having a great morning.

if you give me an answer, i'll give you an answer.  and another cookie.  a good morning to you as well.

I think if you're rich, you're advantaged all the way around.  I know if you're rich you've probably had access to a great education which probably negates being a minority. 
I have a dentist appointment at 9.15, so if I'm to get a cookie, I'd need it now because I have to leave. 


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Affirmative Action / Re: AA: More harm than good?
« on: April 03, 2008, 09:19:40 AM »
AA, if it exists at all, should be based on socioconomic status, rather than race. A poor, inner city person, regardless of color, has many more disadvantages than a person of color, just because they are a person of color. Does it make sense that a child of a rich black ( or Hispanic) family gets a boost over a poor white person who has struggled much more in life and has actual, you know, disadvantages? There shouldn't be a boost because you are African American, Hispanic, Sioux, Siberian, French, Alien, Cyborg, or whatever. It should be based on the economic standing of the person, because that is where the real disadvantages lie.

really?  so you feel like a rich black person is not at a disadvantage compared to a rich white person? 

Rich and black trumps poor and white in law school admissions?  Is that fair?

you didn't answer my original question.  no cookie for you.

Dang, I need a cookie.  I'm going to get a cookie and ponder your question.  I hope you're having a great morning.

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Affirmative Action / Re: AA: More harm than good?
« on: April 03, 2008, 09:08:26 AM »
AA, if it exists at all, should be based on socioconomic status, rather than race. A poor, inner city person, regardless of color, has many more disadvantages than a person of color, just because they are a person of color. Does it make sense that a child of a rich black ( or Hispanic) family gets a boost over a poor white person who has struggled much more in life and has actual, you know, disadvantages? There shouldn't be a boost because you are African American, Hispanic, Sioux, Siberian, French, Alien, Cyborg, or whatever. It should be based on the economic standing of the person, because that is where the real disadvantages lie.

really?  so you feel like a rich black person is not at a disadvantage compared to a rich white person? 

Rich and black trumps poor and white in law school admissions?  Is that fair?

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Affirmative Action / Re: I'm going to assume that.....
« on: April 03, 2008, 09:05:11 AM »
Also, what makes me tilt my head from the outside, is how Afro-Amer Female is judged to be a better URM then Native American.

Slavery>Genocide for admissions?

Therein lies the problem.












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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Duke$$$ vs Chicago
« on: April 03, 2008, 09:00:23 AM »
You need to visit Durham.  My honey wanted us to settle down there after he finished medical school he liked it so much. 

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Affirmative Action / Re: I'm going to assume that.....
« on: April 03, 2008, 08:46:32 AM »
My concern is that a system like that is hugely preferential to wealthy people.  I guess if you don't think that promoting economic mobility should be a goal of our education policy, though, a merit-only system make sense.

Its not to protect wealth, but to entitle a man to his own sweat.  Economic mobility should be promoted by education, not by a cherry picking external system built into academic bureaucracy.     It doesnt take a wealthy man to eschew a social life for 5 months to study for the LSAT, and it doesnt take a wealthy man to go to a state school, attend class, join a club or two, and get above a 3.0.


It doesn't.

It does take a lifelong supportive environment to instill those sorts of values and discipline in individuals - family, friends, school systems, etc.

The argument is that there is a strong correlation between wealth and these sorts of support systems needed to make a successful student and person. It's isn't an absolute correlation, and no one is pretending it is, but is there nonetheless.

Strong arguments can be made that race has a discriminatory factor that influences, and/or can go beyond these types of support systems. Hence the (almost universally accepted) need for "diversity" in the work place and educational system (among other reasons).

There will always be self made people, much like there will always be socially made and unmade people. Surely we not ignore one for the sake of the other?


'Socially made and unmade'? 


I'm going to try and make an argument, it's my first time, so be gentle.

Race based AA violates basic American democratic values of equality and merit. 
It violates the fundamental moral principle against treating someone differently because of the color of their skin.
Race based AA does not hold minorities to the same standards, so they are less likely to hold themselves to these standards.
The link between inferiority and race is reinforced by preferences.
Race based AA can place minorities in educational environments that are inappropriate for their level of skills and preparation. 
It creates a “spoils system,” in which groups compete for benefits rather than individuals being evaluated on their merits.
It creates increasing cynicism, as academic decisions are believed to be politically motivated.
It undermines the initiative of both those who benefit and those who don’t.
It perpetuates ways of categorizing people.
It suggests that if you're black you have a right to compensation for the substantial systematic violation of your ancestors rights.  This leads to a “Restorative Justice Handicapping System” that would give each individual an AA score, either positive or negative. 
It discounts disadvantage.  You can be advantaged and a minority, and be disadvantaged and white.
It's perfectly reasonable for minorities to support preferences since they will get advantages from them, even if they know that preferences are wrong.














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Affirmative Action / Re: I'm going to assume that.....
« on: April 02, 2008, 10:41:49 AM »
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

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Affirmative Action / Re: I'm going to assume that.....
« on: April 02, 2008, 10:34:27 AM »
You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the poo you spew.

Good luck with all of that.  :-*


Operaguy's more butch alter ego?

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Affirmative Action / Re: I'm going to assume that.....
« on: April 02, 2008, 06:35:39 AM »
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.


You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.


You said a very similar thing to Lindbergh and to one of the other anti AA people.  We discussed it.  I told you to stop the personal attacks, and to stop being such a little female dog.

Insert bitchy reply here - I know you can't help yourself.

So, AA got you into your UG.  It's going to get you into a better law school.  At what point did you expect to get anywhere solely on your own merits?

Insert bitchy comment here.


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Acceptances / Re: NYU vs. Columbia Poll
« on: April 01, 2008, 06:18:48 PM »
I just got a call from the asst. dean of admissions at NYU telling me I was accepted.   Even though I don't think I'll end up there, it was quite the thrill.   

a begrudging congratulations.  you should feel good about yourself.

Why 'begrudging'? 

because i don't like you.


You shouldn't congratulate anyone begrudgingly.  It says much more about you, than it does about them.  I hope you're having a great day.

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