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Full ride @ Howard OR uber-debt @ Georgetown/Duke ??

I read the earlier discussion re: UVa and found it very helpful, but I'd like to get fresh perspectives on this....

Thanks in advance.

I go to Howard.  It is a great school.  There are so many recruitment opportunities and chances to network.  I literally have 30 e-mails in my mailbox right now concerning job opportunities.  There are seminars and panels, luncheons and cocktail parties, mock interviews and resume reviews, and invitations to apply for clerk positions and government jobs.  Employers come to Howard, obviously, looking for black students.   

Howard is a unique school.  It's Tier 3, but I know a student who will be working at WLK when he graduates in May.  Traditional wisdom states that if you finish top third a job at market rate is yours, as in employers will seek you out and compete for your services.  1L's have OCI in the Spring and a minority land associate positions their first year. 

The professors are excellent.  One of my teachers worked on the Jena 6 case and the Seattle school segregation case; students who are part of the Civil Rights clinic also were able to contribute.

We are almost like one big family.  I did not pay for half of my books because 2L and 3L students gave them to me along with outlines and advice.  It is a very nurturing community; fun, even.  I have had the time of my life, in this, my first year.

I cannot speak on Georgetown extensively, or on Duke at all.  However, the black people I have met at Georgetown seem like good people.  And just from my own snap judgements on the few Georgetown students I met, it seems like the best at Howard can easily compete with Georgetown students.  I know several people who turned down offers at NYU and VA and Gtown to attend Howard.   Indeed, a lot of people who attend Howard look past the numbers (rankings, bar passage, etc…) and come anyway.  In my opinion, this contributes to the environment at Howard and the prevailing feeling that we are there to be more than just lawyers, but social engineers with a conscious.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: November 20, 2007, 11:51:44 AM »
what up yall....haha...same old ish I see.  Law School is a B.I. man.  Thread on politics...hmmm..my school has a lot of them.  I'm loving it. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 03:28:29 PM »
arbitrary as in you have things that you like in a mate.  thats you.  it is not universal.  You are the arbiter of what is attractive in a mate, and you are the only justification for it. and it is faulty reasoning to say I want such and such type of person, so I will date a person who has attained bla bla credential, when bla bla credential has nothing to do with such and such degree even if there are correlates.

For the bolded portion, did I miss the part where someone denied this?

Also, I don't think it's faulty reasoning to choose a mate in that way. I didn't think that anyone was saying that a degree was a prerequisite for a characteristics that they wanted or that only degreed people had that trait. People just argued that they think that a population of degreed people are more likely to have a characteristic that they like than a population of non-degreed people. That makes it easier to find a mate. People default at easier, and they may or may not miss out a suitable mate.

FWIW, I would be more interested in my mate's political beliefs or upbringing (with respect to wealth).  Will I miss out on a conservative trust-fund baby that I might have been able to make it work with?  Perhaps. But I won't lose any sleep over it.

I dont think anyone explicitely denied this.  Thats not to say it wasnt denied through implication or insinuation in many posts, however.  I saw mention of likelyness to find a specific trait, and I think degrees is a pretty lazy way of doing it as I've already mentioned.  But worse, I saw people justifying or attempting to rationalize personal preferences in a way  that outright stereotypes people.  I'm content with it just being a preference, but I'm calling bull once you start trying to explain them and it doesnt make any sense - and when it really comes down to it, it is arbitrary.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 02:21:57 PM »
say it all you want.  I applaud people that know these things about themselves.  what I'm saying is dont impute that on certain classes/categories of people.  

I want a chick who can hold their own at a big law function

does not preceed

so I want a chick with alot of degrees,

so I want a a white chick,

or any other mumbo jumbo that is being ascribed to a trait potentially present in all types of people...


dont justify saying you like girls with degrees because how many people with a ged can move freely in a cocktail party?  it's insulting.   

How is that insulting?  People talk about school and jobs all the time.  If you don't have job worth mentioning, then you need the school.  "Where did you do your undergrad?"  "Ummm, I didn't go to college."  "Oh?  What kind of work do you do?"  "Well..."  I'm not saying this is the standard for everyone.  But if you want to be a biglaw partner, it's definitely something to consider.

its very insulting.  you cant assume things about how a person carries themselves because of the number of degrees they have.  if you are refined you are refined.  If you are not, you are not.  degrees have nothing to do with it.  Instead say: I would like a female who is adept in social settings.  Fine.  Still, its not a justification for only dating girls with degrees.  Like I previously mentioned, if you are doing the correlate thing thats fine - but I think its pretty lazy and you will miss out one day.  I guarentee it.


Oh okay I see what you mean. You're pointing out that people pick mates based on personal preferences. I don't think anyone disputes that.  But people do have reasons for their personal preferences, whether anyone else thinks they are good reasons or not. How is that lazy?

and they are pretty much arbitrary, again.  just make sure it lines up.  You want a man with good credit, I get it, but thats not the same thing as saying: I like men with platinum cards because they have good credit.  the correlate is there, yes. you need good credit for a platinum card, but the reasoning is faulty as hell. in reality, his credit could be jacked up...


Hmmm, I guess I just don't understand why you are using the word arbitrary, lol. Also, I don't see where anyone's reasoning is faulty, and I think I have pretty good logical reasoning skills. Of course people will miss out on many suitable mates, just the way it goes.


ETA: don't



arbitrary as in you have things that you like in a mate.  thats you.  it is not universal.  You are the arbiter of what is attractive in a mate, and you are the only justification for it.  and it is faulty reasoning to say I want such and such type of person, so I will date a person who has attained bla bla credential, when bla bla credential has nothing to do with being such and such type of person even if there are correlates.


and its not just suitable mates.  it can be the blow your mind not suitable mate but it was great anyway.  it could be why the sex life and relationship front is ho hum.  variety is the spice of life.


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 02:09:01 PM »
dont justify saying you like girls with degrees because how many people with a ged can move freely in a cocktail party?  it's insulting.   

How is that insulting?  People talk about school and jobs all the time.  If you don't have job worth mentioning, then you need the school.  "Where did you do your undergrad?"  "Ummm, I didn't go to college."  "Oh?  What kind of work do you do?"  "Well..."  I'm not saying this is the standard for everyone.  But if you want to be a biglaw partner, it's definitely something to consider.

its very insulting.  you cant assume things about how a person carries themselves because of the number of degrees they have.  if you are refined you are refined.  If you are not, you are not.  degrees have nothing to do with it.  Instead say: EDIT I would like a female who is not out of place in social settings.  Fine.  Still, its not a justification for only dating girls with degrees.  Like I previously mentioned, if you are doing the correlate thing thats fine - but I think its pretty lazy and you will miss out one day.  I guarentee it.


I didn't say adept.  I said "out of place."  Thus, your reply was nonresponsive.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 02:04:49 PM »
dont justify saying you like girls with degrees because how many people with a ged can move freely in a cocktail party?  it's insulting.   

How is that insulting?  People talk about school and jobs all the time.  If you don't have job worth mentioning, then you need the school.  "Where did you do your undergrad?"  "Ummm, I didn't go to college."  "Oh?  What kind of work do you do?"  "Well..."  I'm not saying this is the standard for everyone.  But if you want to be a biglaw partner, it's definitely something to consider.

its very insulting.  you cant assume things about how a person carries themselves because of the number of degrees they have.  if you are refined you are refined.  If you are not, you are not.  degrees have nothing to do with it.  Instead say: I would like a female who is adept in social settings.  Fine.  Still, its not a justification for only dating girls with degrees.  Like I previously mentioned, if you are doing the correlate thing thats fine - but I think its pretty lazy and you will miss out one day.  I guarentee it.


Oh okay I see what you mean. You're pointing out that people pick mates based on personal preferences. I don't think anyone disputes that.  But people do have reasons for their personal preferences, whether anyone else thinks they are good reasons or not. How is that lazy?

and they are pretty much arbitrary, again.  just make sure it lines up.  You want a man with good credit, I get it, but thats not the same thing as saying: I like men with platinum cards because they have good credit.  the correlate is there, yes. you need good credit for a platinum card, but the reasoning is faulty as hell. in reality, his credit could be jacked up...

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 01:42:07 PM »
I imagine some of y'all ,by the responses I've seen in here, to have some sort of a relationship rubric that y'all go by.

With all of the prequalifications, and prerequisites, is there any room left for actual LOVE? What's next a standaradized test? "Well baby, you know your cool, and I enjoy being around you, but according to your RAT (relationship aptitude test) you are only in the 21st percentile, and my 25th-75th is blah blah blah).

I'm not advocating that a person should just settle by any means, but on the other side of the coin quantifying relationships may not be the best method. God knows how many unhappy couples there are that are based on the whole cumulative education concept.

Relationships can work in the complementary aspect you know. 

A lot of times (passionate) love starts to fade pretty quickly, and at the end of the day you need to have a strong relationship to fall back on.  I can love a whole lot of people, but I'm not trying to build a relationship with just them.  People are fooling themselves if they think that love should be THE basis for a relationship. A lot of other factors need to come into play.



 like I said, there are no objective measurements here.  The only thing that justifies it is you.  thats pretty arbitrary.

I guess it depends on what you mean by arbitrary.

If you mean:
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1 : depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law <the manner of punishment is arbitrary>
then you're right. And any relationship is arbitrary.  So your point is moot.

If mean (which I think you did):
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3 a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will.

Then you are wrong.  It seems that this is the way you were using the word arbitrary to me.



People have reasons for choosing who they want as a mate. People have listed some of those reasons, and some seem better than others.  I don't think that anyone has listed a particularly bad reason in the last few pages of this thread.

I meant the first definition.  And how does that make my point moot???  My point is to stop ascribing all of this crap to these broad categorizations and realize it really just comes down to what you like.  dont justify saying you like girls with degrees because how many people with a ged can move freely in a cocktail party?  it's insulting.  you like girls with degrees, fine.  you like girls with degrees because youve found correlates between degrees and traits you like, fine - but I'm calling you lazy for it. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 01:13:51 PM »
Hey, in the end, it's what you're comfortable with.  I will never be comfortable with a partner who had a privileged upbringing and Ivy League education.  If she came through some hardship and made it to the Ivies, like I did, then maybe we might connect (so long as she doesn't let it get to her head). 

Same here.  And it's not arbitrary.  It has everything to do with me knowing who I am more likely to be able to have a meaningful connection with.

 like I said, there are no objective measurements here.  The only thing that justifies it is you.  thats pretty arbitrary.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLACK LOVE
« on: August 14, 2007, 12:11:44 PM »
I mean if we went by statistics we would see correlations (degrees = wealth etc..), but wheres the romance in that?  we aren't looking for three out of five; we all are looking for one in a million right? perhaps i'm asking the wrong bunch

Everyone starts from somewhere, right?  From the basics (e.g., I want a woman, preferably black) to the more nuanced (e.g., certain weight, mannerisms, etc.).  I don't see why education can't be part of one's baseline.

correct.  I have no problem if one were to state I want a person with degrees.  Just realize it is just as arbitrary as anything else.  As much as weight, mannerisms, and skin color.  If thats just what turns you on, than like I said, more power to you.  But people should realize thats all it is: something that turns you on and is not necessarily rational - at least how I see it being addressed here.  If its important a potential mate truely empathizes with your college experiences post ba, then I can see some importance in it.  But the things I've seen listed: wealth, provider, supportive, sacrificing, can carry the load, not jealous etc etc...have nothing to do with degrees, really. 

so I have no problem with people having preferences.  Just people imputing rationalizations for them.  The only thing that justifies them is that they are your own.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: BLSD Investment Game
« on: August 14, 2007, 11:55:22 AM »
I think it's just letting y'all buy and sell at $.54.  So you can't make any further profits or losses.  This is not how it would work IRL.  IRL, you'd be stuck with some worthless stock that you couldn't unload.

I dont think I'd be able to buy that many, either.  and perhaps you would get stuck with it.  I'll have a couple humdred bucks to play with

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