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Current Law Students / Re: Bad Grades....
« on: February 08, 2009, 04:30:59 PM »
a little of both. I was excited about being accepted to LS until I discovered this site and others. I went strongly the other way afterwards -- most of my acceptances were to 30k/yr T2 schools. I think a good chunk of my classmates still aren't *in* to the CW on this site and others...and go by the USNWR.

Anyways, I did end up going...obviously. Part of me did want to go LS...it's possible that if I'd never discovered this place and others I would have done better, I'm not sure.

Anyways, I've heard that ID and PI law isn't so bad...but it is nice having the weight off my mind now. The most interesting education I've received in all of this is actually about how institutions function.

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Current Law Students / Re: Bad Grades....
« on: February 08, 2009, 02:24:29 PM »
don't have anything awesome lined up...part of the reason why I ended up in LS, as I strongly resisted going but parents kinda insisted. At least I minimized the debt.

Am thinking, actually, of going back to UG and getting the "real" degree that I should have in the first place. Humanities is such bull, being in the program felt like a jobs bank.

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Current Law Students / Re: Bad Grades....
« on: February 08, 2009, 01:05:44 PM »
but isn't it ugly for everyone? I'm sure that journalists have it worse than lawyers.

The stories that really freak me out are the ones from my school about law review people who have a hard time landing jobs. Or the whispers of people from two years ago still doing doc review.

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Current Law Students / Re: Bad Grades....
« on: February 08, 2009, 12:51:43 PM »
well, the upside is that my debt wouldn't be entirely bad, unlike many of my classmates who were guided by the USNWR in paying 30k/yr OOS tuition. I'm paying approximately 13k/yr in tuition. and I've heard anecdotes of ppl from the bottom of the class eventually settling into good jobs, to the tune of 70k/yr benefits.

The thing is, while I'd probably be okay in actual practice, the problem is getting that first job when you're at the bottom of the class and have nothing else to offer your employer other than a modestly well-written writing sample.

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Current Law Students / Re: Bad Grades....
« on: February 08, 2009, 10:20:27 AM »
The bad thing is that there was next to no guidance on the exams. They just do their lectures and then you're on your own on figuring out exams. This is in contrast to most other classes, where if you show up and pay attention and understand it, you are okay for exams. I mean, the profs didn't even give us model answers, they gave us old exams but they didn't show how they expected us to write them. It's complete bull.

I've come to the conclusion that my problem is that I tend to ignore stuff that seems obvious and stupid, but part of being an advocate I suppose is telling your client about all of the options and why they are good/bad/stupid. I would simply talk about that which I saw, and I wouldn't explain why I struck out other avenues of attack.

I'm dropping out. The grades are bad enough, but I don't like how everything is really up to the whims of a judge/jury, and the public image doesn't help either.

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Current Law Students / Bad Grades....
« on: February 07, 2009, 05:31:05 PM »
So I finished my first semester. Grades: B, B-, B-, C-.

The C- was the absolute lowest grade in that class. I royally screwed up that exam.

The B-'s are bad enough, of course, they put me in the bottom 25-10% of the class.

My GPA is 2.6

T2 school. Debt isn't bad, but suddenly the thought of being a PI lawyer doesn't really appeal to me at all.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« on: May 28, 2007, 12:12:37 PM »
If you REALLY want experience and to wait... (I think you should go with UO) maybe try a Legal Assistant position instead of a paralegal. I don't really know what the difference is, if there is any.

I got a job as a legal assistant right as I graduated... I had no legal experience, but I did have a 3.9+ and a friend at the law office who was leaving... I got her job. Anyway, she got her job by faxing her resume and cover letter every lawyer in the phone book and calling to check on it the next day. I lucked though, all of the other places I looked wanted 2-5 years of experience.


elaborate?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« on: May 26, 2007, 06:49:34 PM »
My humble opinion would be to re-look (word?) at this situation anew without the "paralegal as experience" factor weighing in at all.  I don't think that being a paralegal helps you become a lawyer any more than the first semester of law school does (which, incidentally, you have to take anyway). I have nothing against paralegals or the occupation at all, but I think that many people give much too much credit to the idea that being a paralegal prepares you to become a lawyer. I'm sure it doesn't hurt, but anyone who is "built" to be a lawyer will become a fine lawyer after three years of law school.

So take a look at your scenario again and leave that little tidbit out. Whatever makes the most sense at that point, stick with it.  Good luck!

What do you base this on? Personal experience?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Should I stay or should I go?
« on: May 25, 2007, 03:48:43 PM »
One other thing to consider: If you do take a year (or more off), would taking the LSAT again be the smart thing to do? There are a lot of factors to determine that, of course, but the extra points may be enough (certainly gives you a better chance than paralegal work) to get you into Temple and Pitt, regardless of residency.

actually, that I'm considering also. I've also heard that law schools are okay with taking the lsat more than once?

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Choosing the Right Law School / Should I stay or should I go?
« on: May 25, 2007, 02:16:38 PM »
Okay folks, so I've narrowed the choices. The two options that I'm giving myself are to either go to University of Oregon law out of state at full price, or try to find work in PA as a paralegal type position to a) get experience in the legal field and b)gain residency for UPitt and Temple.

Now, pros and cons as I see it.

UO Pros: I like the area. I'd get to live in the PACNW. Out of state tuition is somewhat reasonable compared to others. I would get to go to law school next year. 90% placement after 9 months and a 60k median salary. High is 125k in Cali, low is like 40k somewhere.

UO Cons: 115k debt over three years not counting interest. I hear that it's a weak economy in general. 10% unemployed 9 months out is actually pretty scary considering the 6-figure debt.


Work-as-paralegal-then-apply-to-temple/UPitt.

Pros: lower tuition. temple's in-state is 15k a year, UPitt: 20k. Closer to family. Better employment data. Temple has an employment rate of 95% after three months, median salary is 76k. I could get a better idea of the legal profession.

Cons: COL is higher than UO, so alot of the difference would go away. Temple over three years would cost about 105k (according to their website), only 10k less than UO. Finding work as a paralegal. I talked to a paralegal placement firm in Pittsburgh the other day, and they said that in general firms expect paralegal certificates, something that I have no interest in obtaining. My GPA is fairly low (just a hair below 3) which might make it hard to land a paralegal position. I'd put off law school for a year. I'd have to pack up and move all the way from the west coast to the east coast. It's possible that I wouldn't be able to attain in-state tuition (although admissions lady at temple said that my plan would work) Also possible that I wouldn't be admitted to the two schools (I made their waitlists this year, but applying in-state might make the difference). Hypothetical question: If I were admitted to temple in-state, could I use this as leverage to get more money out of villanova?

So, opinions?

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