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Transferring / Re: Help me make final transfer decision!
« on: June 20, 2009, 12:56:20 AM »
With your biglaw aspirations, I don't think this is a tough decision.  Just transfer.  In fact, you should be able to get into a T10, but if GULC is all you've got then you should go there.  AU doesn't have the best biglaw placement and in this economy you need every edge you can get.   

Also, you shouldn't worry too much about grades.  You'll probably do well at GULC.  I made a huge transfer jump (T4 > T20) and my class rank actually went up.  This is, of course, only an anecdotal account, but it's pretty common for transfers to be successful at their new schools. 

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General Board / Re: Dist. Court Law Clerk Taking Qs
« on: June 02, 2009, 09:19:14 PM »
Comment on my chances at a competitive district (SDNY, DDC, EDVA, etc.):

Top 1-3% (3.99)
T20
Law Review (no ed board)
Note might get published... don't know yet.
EDIT: I also am getting a recommendation from a prof who was a former clerk of a judge I'm applying to.

On the downside, I have a really awful undergrad GPA.  I just noticed that some judges request undergrad transcripts (hope that doesn't screw me). 

Also, do you think a 35 page Note is too long for a writing sample?  How long is too long?  How long was yours?

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General Board / Re: Dist. Court Law Clerk Taking Qs
« on: June 02, 2009, 08:42:57 PM »
Wow, the poster above pretty much covered all the bases.  Answer all those questions please :P

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General Board / Re: Commercial Outlines/Hornbooks
« on: May 24, 2009, 06:05:53 PM »
So I have nothing to do this summer...and I don't plan on "studying" for law school (I'm starting this Fall) but I want to at least have in my mind a plan of action for when I do get into study mode. These may be dumb questions but I've heard so much talk of commercial outlines and hornbooks. What are they? Where do I get them? Which ones should I get? When should I get them? What do I do with them when I get them? Thanks.

Like the previous poster said, you should focus on taking good notes in your classes and creating your own outline based on those notes.  That being said, I've found it helpful to use supplements/outlines in classes that are particularly confusing or when I need to fill in gaps in my notes.  You can usually get pretty cheap, used versions of these books at Amazon marketplace.  You can also get them at your law school bookstore but they'll be more expensive.

I'll try to explain what the different types of supplements are:

Hornbooks are large treatises that provide in-depth explanations of certain areas of law.  They're supplements to the primary casebooks you'll use for your classes.  I personally have never used one and I don't think they're particularly helpful.  As far as I can tell, they're largely a relic of the past that most students don't use anymore. 

Commercial outlines are detailed summaries of the legal concepts you'll study in your 1L classes.  In form, they replicate the type of outlines that many students create for each of their classes.  They're helpful when you don't understand what a concept is or how it fits into the big picture of the course.  The downside, of course, is that every prof teaches things a little bit differently, so what's in the outline might not be what your prof wants.  Some popular brands include: Emmanuel, Gilberts, and Black Letter Law. 

I suppose another subset of supplements is the Examples and Explanations series.  I found these books to be the most helpful.  They basically provide short summaries of areas of law (with some case explanation) and then a series of examples to test your understanding.

The only supplement that I'm sure you will use (as most 1Ls do) is Glannon's Examples and Explanations on Civil Procedure.  I learned Civ Pro from this book, and if you want to go ahead and buy it then I don't think it would hurt.  Other than that, stop worrying about law school and go get drunk.  Enjoy your summer, NOW!   


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Transferring / Re: Considering Transfer [need advice]
« on: April 04, 2009, 11:11:25 PM »
I originally voted T14, but I'm gonna change that to T10 or bust.  In this economy, T14 isn't going to guarantee you anything.  Neither will T10, but you'll have a much better shot.  And I agree you shouldn't weigh the academia concern too heavily right now, but if that's something you really want then you really need to have a T10 degree (maybe even T5). 

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General Board / Re: Transfer potential: Cal Western School of Law
« on: March 21, 2009, 05:38:45 PM »




Hey guys. Newbie here, I appreciate the wealth of advice on this site. I'm seeking any advice or suggestions you can offer me. Im a 154, 3.2 poli-sci & business undergrad. I have been accepted to Cal Western (High Attrition, t4, I know) I love San Diego, and California as a whole, however I know my options graduating from Cal Western are concentrated regionally in San Diego.

My question is this; If i can maintain top 15-20% in my class @ Cal Western, what are the realistic possibilities of transferring to into any of these schools either a)full time (mainly what I'm interested in)  b) part-time :

USD,USC,UCLA,STANFORD,UC-HASTINGS,BERKLEY,ASU

I ask because I understand that with such a low GPA, and an less-than-stellar LSAT score, my chances of getting into ASU, or USD are slim (2 schools of which im waiting to hear back from). I believe(am encouraged by the advice given to me by 1l's @ UofO law school- home of my undergrad) that I can rise to the top of my 1l class at Cal Western. I have been an 3.8 student the last two years of my undergrad while working 20+ hours a week. I live in the professors office hours, and I have been absorbing E & E's for 6 months and have been sitting in on UofO law lectures....etc etc. sorry to bore you with the details, these are simply the reasons for which I believe I may be able to excel.

Thanks for the advice!   Grin

Assuming you were to be top 15% or so (top 20% is cutting it close):

Decent Shot: USD, ASU, Hastings

Highly Unlikely: USC, UCLA

Pretty much Impossible: Stanford, Berkeley

Look, I know you don't want to hear this, but this is my advice to you: do not go to law school unless you can raise your LSAT significantly.  Take it from me, I transferred from a T4 to a T20 (rejected at a few T14s), and I was in the top 2% of my class.  Getting great grades at a T4 is not only hard, but also unpredictable, and in this economy (especially in the Californian economy, with its 10% unemployment rate), it's just not worth it to take the risk of going to a T4.

You probably really want to go to law school, so I can't fault you for being tenacious about this (as is evidenced by your multiple threads on here).  But just step back for a second and think about what life would be like if you were top 1/3 or so at a T4 and you couldn't transfer out.  When you say, "I know my options graduating from Cal Western are concentrated regionally in San Diego," it shows me that you're missing the point.  You may not have any options coming from a T4 in CA.  Seriously. 

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Transferring / Re: T20 in top 10% - what is feasible?
« on: March 18, 2009, 11:19:10 PM »
Just apply to all the T10 schools and see what you get.  You've got a good shot at most of them, with less of a shot at HYS.  For someone in your position, I wouldn't say it's worth it unless you get into a top 5-6 school or so.

WUSTL I'm guessing? 

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Transferring / Re: not happy
« on: March 02, 2009, 02:42:11 AM »
Quote
On a side note, for future reference, when you choose a username, a name like couchpotato gives a real bad connotation, it gives me the impression that you are lazy and not a hard worker, and maybe the lack of initiative is the result of your unhappiness. I could be totally wrong, but you have to remember first impressions are important, even on the web.

Best of luck

Seriously?  I don't know what's crazier, the fact that you said something this retarded on a message board, or that it impacted OP so much that he/she changed usernames. 

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George Washington U / Re: Rank at GW
« on: February 27, 2009, 02:46:32 PM »
I considered clerking.  Kicking around the idea of academia at some point.  I didnt apply this year though (may at some point in the future though).  I went to the clerkship coordinator and she told me I didnt have a shot at DDC or SDNY because of my journal experiences.  Clerking isnt something I have a strong desire to do for the experience itself, and, without the significant resume boost of a federal district/appellate, it wasnt worth it.  I am also not really willing to leave NY or DC. 

I would think youd be able to do something at the local level or in one of the special federal courts if you are ranked/on a journal though...

I see.  Yeah... I'm on LR and the clerkship coordinator told me I'm probably around top 5% or so based on my grades.  But she said some people with similar numbers got shut out of DDC and the other District Court courts in the DC area (without even getting interviews).  She may just be trying not to raise my expectations too high, but I was still a bit shocked at this prospect.  In any event, I'm still gonna apply to just to see what happens.

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George Washington U / Re: Rank at GW
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:18:05 PM »
Are you looking to do a clerkship thorc954?  I'm hearing mixed reviews about clerkship prospects out of GW.  The clerkship coordinator told me I had a "slim" shot at the DC metro courts, which sort of surprised me.

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