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Current Law Students / Re: Chapman U
« on: May 25, 2005, 02:14:13 AM »
1) How are the other students (ie. how cut-throat is the school)
Students here are very friendly (we share outlines and notes all the time).

2) What is the social scene in Orange
If you like to drink, don't worry, there are countless bars around the school.  If you have time to party, perhaps you can drive down the 55 to Newport.  Orange in general is not a party town, however.

3) Living expenses outside of school?
It's California, if you are from the state then you already know.

4) Satisfaction with the School and administration
The admin people hold regular meetings with the students and listen to our concerns.  They are very interested in serving our needs.

If you have a chance, you should pay Chapman a visit.  It is very different from the rest of the law schools.  People here are NOT cut-throat at all since we realize that we need to be team players so the school can acquire a stronger reputation.

Finally, don't even think about the other schools referred to in the second post.  Chapman's bar passage rate is around 67% this year, only 1% lower than Loyola.  Take a good hard look at Whittier and Western State's bar results and you will see why Chapman is clearly the better choice.  It is true that the school is not well known (yet), but keep in mind that Chapman is a "new" school, not a bad school.

I hope this helps.

Current Law Students / Re: Scared
« on: May 29, 2004, 05:27:42 PM »
Take a prep course if you have the money.  It will force you to study (hopefully).  I believe the breakdown between GPA/LSAT is actually 25%/75%.  But of course this depends on where you apply to.   

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: What SoCal School is better?
« on: May 25, 2005, 02:49:30 AM »
Please, DO NOT go to an unaccredited school.

I chose Chapman over SW (so keep in mind that I might be biased).  Students at SW are the most unhappy people I have met in my life (I visited the school 3 times and talked to a dozen people).  Plus, Chapman's bar result is better than SW and only 1% lower than Loyola.  Sure, Chapman's reputation is not as strong as SW, but it's a "new" school, NOT a bad one.

Hope this helps.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: syracuse v chapman
« on: May 25, 2005, 02:31:46 AM »
Very interesting, I was in exactly the same situation like you a year ago.  I chose Chapman for various reasons.  And no, Syracuse has got nothing on Chapman if you want to work in Orange County.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Chapman Law School
« on: May 25, 2005, 02:28:42 AM »
I have a few follow-up questions about Chapman.  Even if you only know the answer to one of these, I'd appreciate your feedback:

1.  How do they work class registration each quarter?  Is getting into good class a real pain, or does it work smoothly?

You can do it over the internet.

2.  It seems that they are trying to recruit some top-notch students.  Do you think that these students are planning to attend?

That I do not know, but I know one student who got into Loyola but decided to come to Chapman because of the $$$.

3.  What is "the hook" for Chapman?  What is it that should make a person want to go there?  Is it just location, or is there something else?

Students here are A LOT LESS cut-throat.  They are generally very friendly and helpful (e.g. share notes and outlines).

4.  What is the deal with their real-estate certificate program?  Does that lead to a pretty good job afterwards?  Also, what other programs at Chapman are good?

Chapman is big on tax.  The bar passage rate for people who graduated from the program is 100% (so I heard).  Overall passage rate for this year is around 67%, only 1% behind Loyola.  It's still a 4th T because it's new, not because it's bad.

Hope this helps.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. Chapman
« on: June 12, 2004, 12:06:53 PM »
Hi Enave your hour sounds pretty good actually.  What about your peers at biglaw?  How long do they work?

Choosing the Right Law School / Southwestern vs. Chapman (Part 2)
« on: June 10, 2004, 12:42:49 PM »
Thanks everyone for your great input.  I think itís time to open up a new thread.

I am still having a hard time choosing between Southwestern and Chapman.  If I go to Chapman, do well, and try to establish my own network, do you guys think I will have a chance to get a decent job even if the school does not have a strong network like Southwestern?  How important is a schoolís network in the legal world anyway?

Once again, thank you guys for all the help.  :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. Chapman
« on: June 09, 2004, 12:31:16 PM »
Hi CourtJester,

What are those numbers?  Companies that come to campus?

Thanks.  :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. Chapman
« on: June 08, 2004, 02:44:08 PM »
So what worries me the most is Chapman's network.  The school is so new compared to SW.  Assuming that I place in the top third after 1L and do all my "homework", is it likely for me to find an externship/firm positoin for the summer?  Anyone has any input about this?

Thanks  :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. Chapman
« on: June 04, 2004, 06:00:25 PM »
One thing that bothers me about SW is its bar passage rate.  After getting rid of the a fifth of its 1Ls, 67.7% of the remaining students pass the bar.  I know California's bar is tough and all, but Chapman is able to achieve a 71% passage rate (only after UCLA and USC in the LA area) by dropping only 10% of its 1Ls.  Assuming that the students in both schools are equally smart, I am almost forced to make the conclusion that Chapman gives its students more attention and help than SW.  Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Unrelated Point:
The more I look into the ranking method used by US News, the more I start to see its absurdity.  Whatís the point of going to law school for three years if one canít pass the bar?  ??? Yet bar passage rate only counts for 2% when they come up with the rankings.  Chapman deserves better!

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