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Law School Admissions / Ad Hoc JD/MBA Programs?
« on: July 25, 2007, 02:31:29 PM »
Hello there. I'm interested in a JD/MBA joint-degree program, but I would personally prefer to attend law school and business school at different universities (more diversity, better networking, and more alumni resources).

It seems however that the vast majority of schools only permit JD/MBA's within their own university. I've also been done that normally it's the Business School that is pickier about the joint degree than the Law School. I was curious if anyone is aware of any ad hoc JD/MBA programs.

Apparantly there have been historical cases where this was done (a Lisa Schwartz did a JD/MBA between Yale Law School and Harvard Business School), but when I recently contacted HBS, they said that joint degree programs can only be done with Harvard Law School (specifically stating it couldn't be done with Yale). Are there any other anecdotal cases where this has been done?

I'm sure there's probably an old thread on this but for some reason I am not able to find a SEARCH option (though the Help section indicates that one should be able to Search on SMF).

If anyone could provide additional information, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Okay, this does not apply to me or anyone I know, but I was wondering what would be the appropriate way to fill out the Ethnicity portion of law school applications in the following hypothetical scenarios:

#1. Some law schools have the category "Latino" while others specify "Latino/Other Spanish-American". To what extent should this include Latin and South American countries that do not speak Spanish? I know there have been previous discussions about whether Brazil should be considered part of Latin America (with inconclusive results). But what about French possessions (Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guinea)? Or Guyana? Or Dutch-speaking Suriname and the Netherlands Antilles? Why or why not?

#2. It is my impression that most Russians and Middle Easterners end up marking White/Caucasian or Other. I'm curious if any of them have tried claiming Asian status instead. Should they be allowed to? (True, in many cases being considered Asian will be detrimental for admissions but for this purpose, let's assume a Southern law school that is actively recruiting "Asians").

#3. To what extent (if any) should Egyptians be considered African? Should Egyptian-American be considered a subset of African-American for the purpose of ethnicity?

Law School Admissions / Re: hispanic-
« on: January 02, 2007, 02:48:02 AM »
hey guys, just curious- would u consider being more than 1/2 portuguese as being hispanic..I never thought so until a friend of mine mentioned it to me and he talked to a friend of his who is on admissions board for indiana ls....


You can put whatever you want there, but Hispanic refers to the people from the LATIN AMERICAN countries... South America, Mexico, Central America, and the Spanish-speaking caribbean.

European heritage is lumped in with the other WHITE people. Sorry.

Although, I knew a kid who fraudulently got a minority scholarship by claiming he was  hispanic. His family was asian (Pacific Islander to be exact). I can't believe he got away with it.

Actually, the term "Hispanic" refers to the Iberian peninsula.  People of Spanish or Portuguese heritage are, in fact, Hispanic.  They are not Latino (Central/South American).  Latinos are generally Hispanic, but not all Hispanics are Latino.  It's a cultural distinction, not a racial one, so most Hispanics are actually white anyhow.  I don't know that a European Hispanic heritage will get you any points with admissions folks, but it certainly can't hurt.

Hmmm...I wonder what French people in Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guinea should put down. Geographically they are located in Central/South America (so they may classify as Latino) but they are also part of France and the European Union and some might wonder why they should be treated differently from those in mainland France.

Speaking of these ridiculous labels and categories, I am curious if any Russians or Middle Easterners have tried claiming Asian heritage (true in many cases this might actually hurt them but there are a few universities that are actively trying to boost their number of Asian students). I've also wondered to what extent Egyptians can be considered African. Thoughts?

Apparantly lots of people are having the same problem with Charlotte Law. For more information, see the thread:

Email from Charlotte School of Law - wtf?,79255.0.html

Glad I'm not the only way who finds this marketing approach really really creepy....

Law School Admissions / Re: Email from Charlotte School of Law - wtf?
« on: December 30, 2006, 06:35:30 PM »
Charlotte School of Law: you are creepy. Leave me alone please.

I am glad that I am not the only one who found the experience creepy. Man, I didn't see this thread earlier and had to start a different one for that purpose:

"Anyone Else Being Stalked by a Non-Accredited School?",79290.0.html

But I'm definitely relieved that I am not alone!

Just curious if anyone else is being inundated with e-mails from a specific non-accredited law school. In my case the culprit is the Charlotte School of Law, who seems to be sending me e-mails at least every week (sometimes every few days!).

There was only a single e-mail that was even worth my time! (It was an amusing message from the school's mascot, "Charlotte, the Legal Beagle," which featured a moderately cute beagle wearing plush reindeer antlers and some holiday lights).

The latest e-mail is from the Dean of Admissions offering a $13,500 "merit scholarship" (for a non-ABA approved school, mind you), suggesting that I "take a moment" to call her and "chat," and that they're ready to "reserve" a seat in the entering class (I have not applied nor do I ever intend to). She ends the e-mail saying that she looks forward to talking with me over the next couple of days (presumptuously assuming that I'm going to waste my time calling).

I don't want to sound like a *complete* jerk (though I'm okay with being a partial one), but where do these schools get the nerve? Sadly enough, Charlotte isn't even accredited and is even a step below TTT! So I was curious if anyone else has been having similar experiences....

I am curious about this, because I am working towards a Master's in Public Administration, partly because I felt my UGPA (6 years old) leaves too many gaps and collapses. I know that LSDAS does not factor anything after your Bachelor's into your GPA, because graduate grades are often inflated, but does anyone here have any experience with admissions where earning your MA or MS or PhD helped overcome undergraduate performance?

On a similar note, but as a partial spinoff, I was curious how much a good performance in law school classes (taken via cross-registration during grad school) can help overcome a low GPA/LSAT when one actually applies to law school. Any thoughts?

But lets say 25% of the school is going to get the best jobs, be it biglaw or clerkships or government agencies.  LSAT is correlated with intelligence and law school grades.  If 25% or 50% of the class scored higher than you (and some of them just had a bad day or did not prepare like lsders do) then you're already a step behind in terms of getting the best grades.  Blah.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think LSAT percentiles are the be all, end all for determing law school grades.

For example, I'm not even in law school yet. But for the three law school courses I have already taken, I've been in the upper third of the class, despite the fact that my LSAT is below the 25th percentile for that law school...

Unless I missed it can you give a range for the LSAT?  Sub 170 is very vague and your chances vary tremendously if you have a 145 versus a 165.

Sorry. It's in the 165-169 range.

Law School Admissions / Advice Needed for Non-Traditional Applicant!
« on: June 28, 2006, 09:46:33 AM »
Hello there. I plan to (finally) go to law school next year, which means I have to go through the grueling admissions process in the fall. I'm a non-traditional applicant with some atypical factors, so I could really use any advice on the application process. Here are my basics:

- I plan to apply to about a dozen law schools in the Top 15 (according to U.S. News and Report).

- My undergrad was relatively unspectacular. I attended a state school with a top-notch engineering program and got an engineering degree with a 3.7 GPA.

- Unfortunately my LSAT score(s) have been less than spectacular. Yeah, I know it *really* hurts, but it's less than 170.   :-[

- On the brighter side, I do have a Master's degree (GPA is roughly an A-) from a school whose law school is in the Top 6. I was able to cross-register for 3 law classes and for my thesis, my advisor was a law professor. I did well in all those classes (and the thesis) and got A-'s in each of them. I also have 3 or 4 of my law professors who are willing to write me recommendations for my law school applications.

- This fall, I will be starting my second Master's degree, at a different school (whose law school is also in the Top 6). I plan to cross-register and take several law classes again, but since the semester does not end until December, I probably won't get recommendations for my early application (though I can send them later on as follow-ups).

My basic reasoning is that since I did well in all 3 (plus thesis) courses that I took at a Top 6 law school, that this might prove that I'm capable of the work that law school entails. I got A-'s in all those classes. Say that puts me roughly in the top third of the class. That means I performed better than 2/3 of the class, despite the fact that they probably got better LSAT scores than I did. Plus, don't forget to factor that I was at a slight disadvantage since I was competing with 2L's, 3L's, and LLM's, with more legal experience than I had. I know that law schools also like high LSAT's to boost their own statistics (which my argument doesn't address). But I also know that some schools often turn down applicants with less than stellar scores so that the applicants attend other schools and can apply to transfer once they "prove" themselves. In this case, I figure that my prior performance should be sufficient evidence to show I can handle the material.

#1. So, my first question is: do you think that 3 or 4 letters of recommendation from law professors in a Top 6 law program, will significantly offset a poor LSAT?

#2. More generally, do you have any suggestions for my application? There are a few things I already plan to do:

    - I will definitely apply early in the application cycle. I plan to get my applications in first thing in September.

    - I will also gear my personal statement on reasons why the admissions committee should look past my LSAT score and/or undergrad GPA.

    - I know that retaking the LSAT (yet again) is an option, especially with the new score policy. I'm considering taking the LSAT again, but I am also resigned to the fact that I just don't seem to test well (so I'm not counting on this to be significantly helpful).

Any other thoughts? Thank you for your time and your thoughts.

With regards

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