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General Board / Re: Law Review Executive Board Positions -- Worth It?
« on: August 28, 2006, 11:00:13 AM »
it's worth it at my school because it comes with a scholarship and a stipend. Also, for those looking for academic careers, the big 2 or three positions are more well thought of.

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General Board / Re: Fall course load
« on: August 28, 2006, 10:58:02 AM »
advanced criminal advocacy
international prosecutions- nuremberg to present
corruption in international business transactions
criminal procedure II
criminal procedure II clinic

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Briefing - Technicolor In-Book v. Writing
« on: August 27, 2006, 10:53:09 PM »
briefing in technicolor is the way to go- just make sure you type up your notes into some kind of outline form later. this is good becuase you go through the material three times- onece while briefing, once in class, once while writing up tyhe imp. bits.

remember- If it's not said in the case or notes (somewhere you can highlight it) and it can't fit in the margin of the book, it doesn't need to be remembered (or written down).

Also, your outline at the end of the year should not consist of a list of briefs, many make this mistake. The outline has very littel to do with briefs...

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General Board / Re: tools, spoiled brats and jerks...
« on: August 18, 2006, 03:30:58 PM »
tools- 30%, spoiled brats- 20%, jerks- 10%

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General Board / failing the MPRE
« on: July 25, 2006, 10:39:01 AM »
Hey I am a little worried about failing the upcoming MPRE- frankly I have been really busy and have barely begun to study yet. So I have a question. Are there any real consequences to failing the MPRE and retaking it later? I know that you can't take the bar unless you pass the MPRE but will failing the MPRE once before passing it have any effect on anything?

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General Board / Re: Is law review really worth it?
« on: July 24, 2006, 09:25:28 PM »
short term benefits- there are none! Long term costs- there are none!

In terms of what you learn, you learn to do academic writing- completely different than exam or LRW writing. You also learn to put in a huge amount of work on tedious things (techchecking) that come in handy professionally (especially at appellate clerkships - where you essentially techcheck the judge's opinions and big firms- where tedious work will be you life for a couple years). I see those as long term things though- they probably won't hugely help you in the next year or two of law school.

Long term costs- I can't see how there are any unless you completely burn out because of the workload or something... I don't think employers will really consider you overqualified because of LR or that doing academic writing will really screw with how you write a motion or an exam answer...

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General Board / Re: Law Schools To Avoid At All Costs!
« on: July 11, 2006, 08:16:14 AM »
Ok, so here is the reason to avoid lower ranked law schools.  It has nothing to do with quality of the professorate, although they may be better at better schools, and it has nothing to do with the students, although they may too be better at better schools.  The REAL reason why better schools are better is because of the opportunity offered by those better schools.  Education in America is essentially used by employers to sort individuals.  If you don’t agree/understand this then you aren’t living in the same nation as me.  Obviously this is not as important to solo practitioners.  This is the single most important that an individual should choose a better regarded PROFESSIONAL school, because it opens more doors.  If you would like there are many books asserting my thesis (as if it really must be reasoned, it is so obvious that it’s not necessary to state it) including my favorite “The Big Test: The Secret of the American Meritocracy”

well, yeah, no kidding. I there was one reason I would give to go to a higher ranked school it would be the on-campus interviewing and the career center in general. Of course, if you get into a teir one school you shoudl avoid lower ranked schools. But if you didn't, that doesn't mean you should just give up on being a lawyer and go for a grad. degree in english lit. The T4 schools will still alow you to go out hang a shingle, get a great government job, or work for a small perosnal injury, family law, or criminal defense firm. Most of the opportunities you lose are with big firms, with a career as a law professor, with the possibility of a judgeship down the road, or with the more prestigous clerkships. BUt if you're not taht interesting in that and you just want to be a lawyer, you know who actually spends time in court with civil litigation or criminal defense, you don't lose that much by going to a lower ranked school. Of course, if your goal is to work for a big corporate firm, yeah, you gotta be at the very top of your 4T school to even get an interview (where at many 1T schools who gets interviews are determined by lottery).

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General Board / Re: Don't be an arrogant little SOB!
« on: July 10, 2006, 10:33:25 PM »

Don't let 4th Tier law schools fleece you! I understand that most won't hear -- after all every prospective JD candidate has an ego the size of the Atlantic and is not so easily dissuaded by, y'know, reason -- but don't tell me I didn't warn you when you get burned!

Maybe some of them fleece you but I think most provide needed opportunities by giving students a chance to be lawyers when other law schools wouldn't. If they flunk out after first year, it is the student's fault, not the school's. And yeah, if the student had done better on the LSAT or studied more in undergrad (or been a legacy), maybe they could have gotten into a law school where you are guaranteed to graduate. Frankly, I find nothing wrong with graduation being earned, not a right granted at admission.

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General Board / Re: Arbitraritness of Grades
« on: July 10, 2006, 10:24:56 PM »

Teachers are bound by the administration's committee that pre-determines who gets what [...]


It's called "academic review committee" -- they get together and make a simple, cold business decision as to whether you are worth this or that grade.

yeah, thank god my school does not do that...

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Primers and Commercial Outlines
« on: July 07, 2006, 02:02:10 PM »
yes you can buy these before knowing what the prof will assign. Your classes will be in very basic areas- contracts, torts... Study guides come in each of these subjects. They won't cover exactly what is in your class but they give you the general idea.

A commercial outline is essentially an outline of the black letter law you will need to learn in the class. I find them uniformily unhelpful- mostly because I do not learn well from outlines. Other prose study guides I do use, mostly Examples and Explanations series.

Yeah knowing some black letter law going in can't hurt, but I really would suggest that you just use this summer to relax, especially if you are not working. Law school will take up a ton of your time and thoughts once you are there and you will be absolutely wasting your summers if you don't have legal jobs during them. Therefore, you may want to use this time to relax and prepare yourself mentally and physically for law school. By preparing yourself mentally, I don't mean try to get a head start on your classes, but rather clear your mind, enjoy your summer, and be ready to hit the ground running your first day.

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