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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Novus Law School
« on: September 16, 2012, 01:40:05 PM »
To clarify-I went to Concord Law School one year.  After that one year, I switched and went to Novus completing their requirements to graduate in two years.  I did not take the Baby Bar, I was not interested in taking any bar exam, I am retired.  I do work as a paralegal and the course work between the two schools has helped me in my job as a paralegal.  My work on a criminal case resulted in a not guilty verdict for our client.  Novus does have two accreditations and yes-As a retired college professor I am aware of their non ABA status.  My work was supervised by a Juris Doctorate, won't give his name out without permission.  It is up to each individual to decide the path they want to take-And the ABA is nothing more than a dues collecting organization.  A state Supreme Court judge, where I live, does not believe that online school graduates should be kept from taking the bar just because they are not graduating from an ABA school.
JUSTICE HEIPLE, dissenting:

By the amendment to Rule 711 and by Rule 703, which was previously adopted, this court recognizes only law schools which have been approved by the American Bar Association. I both dissent and object to these rules because they represent an improper delegation of a governmental and judicial function to a trade association of lawyers.

The American Bar Association is a voluntary association of dues paying lawyers (currently $225 per annum) that exists for the benefit of its members. No lawyer is required to belong. Most do not. It clothes its parochial existence with an overlay of public activities and pronouncements designed to convince the general public that it is interested in the general welfare. That its primary focus is the benefit of its members, however, is beyond question. That the American Bar Association is a trade association warrants neither commendation nor condemnation. As a trade association engaging in improving the status of lawyers and lobbying Congress and the State legislatures, it is on a par with any other trade association. It is decidedly not, however, an arm of the State of Illinois nor of this court.

It is improper for this court to assign and delegate to that organization the ultimate decisionmaking function of deciding for the State of Illinois which law schools warrant official recognition. It would be proper, of course, for this court and its Board of Law Examiners (now, Board of Admissions to the Bar) to consider and weigh the evaluations of the American Bar Association in considering which law schools are to be approved. The work of the American Bar Association in evaluating law schools could be considered as relevant evidence in that regard. No objection could be raised to that procedure.

This court, however, has no right to delegate its decisionmaking function to the American Bar Association, the Teamsters Union, the Republic of Uganda or any other such body or group. If the rule asserts a valid principle of law, then this court could as well assign all of its decisionmaking functions to others who might be considered experts in their field.

For the reasons given, I respectfully dissent.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Novus School of Law
« on: September 16, 2012, 01:16:34 PM »
I graduated from Novus.  It is not for everyone.  I had completed one year at Concord and decided to not continue because of the cost and only able to practice in California.  Concord and other online schools have a low pass rate for the bar.  Oakbrook School of Law online would be my choice, high bar pass rate and cost is reasonable, about half of what Concord costs.  You cannot set for the bar unless you are office supervised by an attorney in CA.  I am a paralegal and have been for the last two years and taking the courses from Novus has helped me in my job.  I do everything an attorney does except go to court.  I have written numerous motions, complaints, answers to motions which are really more what I think law schools need to focus on than essays, especially after the first year of school.  When anyone graduates law school they need a mentor, even clerking during school is a help.  Novus fit my needs because I will never take the bar, I just wanted to see if I would have liked being an attorney when I worked, I am retired.  You can take the bar in District of Columbia and it seems they make it more available to graduates of non ABA schools, check their requirements to sit for the bar exam.  Hope this helps.  Cost of Novus-look at the fees charged besides the tutition, still not too costly and pay as you go, but I would try to pay the tutition upfront. 

As a retired college professor and a former student at Concord, go for the JD Degree.  The bar pass rate is low, but in my experience you get a teaching job networking with a full-time faculty member or recommendation  from a current adjunct.  It is very political and difficult to even obtain an adjunct postion and yes, a Master's dergree is the minimum for teaching.  A degree from an accredited school is a must.  Last year 37% of those who graduated from law school was from an online school.  I have read of all law school graduates-only about 50% have found a job as an attorney-not a bright outlook.  I always liked adjuncts who had several years of work experience with a degree.  I stayed away from those who only went to school, did not have actual work experience.

Online Law Schools / Re: Help me pick an online law school
« on: September 02, 2012, 11:23:08 AM »
I went to Concord for one year.  You must be very disciplined to attend Concord.  They have a low bar pass rate and not much better on the FYLSE.  I looked into Oakbrook School of Law and they have much better pass rates, plus cost a lot less.  I would suggest Oakbrook.  I graduated with my law degree and decided to not take the bar exam because I am 66 years old and really just wanted to see if I could graduate from law school, and if I missed a career I thought I wanted years ago.  It is not what it is cracked up to be.  I work as a paralegal in a small firm and have fulfilled my dream at a lower cost than Concord.  I am a retired college professor and like to learn, this was a course of study more than expected.  I spent 50 hours a week studying, outlining and memorizing.  But-always follow your dream.  At the age of 45 I graduated from college with a BS and AAS degree, a MBA, and all three degrees took me a total of 3 years, not suggested to anyone to subject themselves to that many classes a semester. I followed my dream and 20 years later I graduated from law school, and with a lot of student loan debt-LOL.

To Aires 25-I went to Concord and I suggest you buy the study cards from for the Baby Bar.  Cost about $30, and start memorizing these cards from day one, they are the rules, and you will have a better chance of passing the FYLSE.  I asked an instructor what should I memorize and did not receive an answer other than learn your outlines.  I used the bar cards in our weekly class and they are what you need to know for the substantive law part of the exam.  Write as many essays as you can and get rid of the useless info in a fact pattern-or the essay question. Hope this helps and don't get behind in your studies or memorizing or you're done.  This is an expensive venture if you don't keep up with the modules.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Novus Law School
« on: September 02, 2012, 10:46:09 AM »
I just graduated from Novus Law School-non-ABA or accredited- in August 2012.  The school fit my needs and I work as a paralegal for a law firm.  I do everything an attorney does but go to court and give legal advice. This school is not for everyone so read carefully.  You could take the bar exam in some states, so read the requirements.  My experience was good, no problems with the staff or school getting assignments graded.  I spent one year at Concord Law School which allows you to take the CA Bar Exam.  Look at the success rate of passing the exam-low.  Oakbrook Law School would be my choice for cost and bar passing rate if you want to take the CA bar.  I was not interested in taking the bar at age 65-nor to take on that much debt-so I switched to Novus.  My experience was good at Novus, you learn what you put into the program.  I am a retired college professor and self-directed learning was my focus while a professor, to fit the needs of a non-traditional student. You must be disciplined to get through any self-study program, Novus and all the online schools are  a real challenge for those who aren't-so be aware of the challenge to complete the program at Novus in two years, I did complete in two years.  I hope this answers questions about Novus Law School.

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