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« on: Yesterday at 12:45:31 PM »
So here is the question: What do I need to do in order to get into West Virginia Law?
No one on this board (or any other board) can definitively answer that question. However, here's something to consider: according to WVU, their median GPA/LSAT is 3.36/154.
Although law schools love to fill the pages of their promotional materials with stuff about "looking at the whole applicant", the vast majority of law school admission decisions will be based almost exclusively on numeric qualifications.
Soft factors such as holding a graduate degree or volunteering at a soup kitchen are fine, but won't really make too much difference. If it's a choice between the applicant with multiple soft factors and a low GPA/LSAT versus the applicant with ZERO soft factors and high GPA/LSAT . . . , well you get the picture.
So what does that mean for you?
It means that for the purposes of law school admission your GPA is very low. Thus, the best way to mitigate that low GPA is with a very high LSAT score. Simply meeting the average 154ish range is probably not enough.
Take a look at the admission grids in The Official Guide to U.S. Law Schools. They are very helpful, and will give you a good idea as to your chances. It looks like only a couple of people were admitted to WVU with GPAs in the 2.0-2.24 range, and they had LSATs in the 160+ range.
My advice would be:
1) crack down on the LSAT prep. Take a course if possible, and truly dedicate yourself to getting the highest score possible.
2) Broaden your horizons. You may not get into WVU. Would you be willing to attend another school?
3) Don't take this as snarky criticism (I'm not one of these posters who gets a kick out of trashing people's dreams) but you should think about whether or not law school is the right choice.
The reason that law schools want solid GPAs is because law school is VERY
challenging. Seriously, it makes undergrad look like kindergarten and you will be expected to compete with lots of very smart, motivated students.
If you had a tough time achieving a passing GPA in undergrad, law school may not be the best option. Success in law school will require a major
change in your motivation, study habits, and personal discipline. Unless you get that straightened out law school will be a waste of time and money.
« on: April 14, 2014, 12:13:13 PM »
In my opinion an EJD fails the cost/benefit analysis.
1) You can't practice law with it.
2) Does anyone take it seriously?
3) It's expensive.
If you simply want to learn something about the law without having to prepare for the bar exam, you can buy a few books on Amazon and save yourself thousands of dollars.
Lastly, you need to find out why you were rejected by Concord. Their admissions are pretty open, and this could indicate a major problem with your ability to study law. Figure this out before you drop thousands in tuition at another school, or Concord.
« on: March 31, 2014, 11:58:19 AM »
Funny, I was in the process of responding to this post the other night but we had an earthquake so I had to stop. Gotta love California!
As Miami88 has stated, don't spend a couple of years working as a paralegal just because you want a boost in terms of law school admissions. Only do it if you want to be a paralegal.
Soft factors such as employment can make a difference if they are truly unique, formative experiences. Stuff like Peace Corps, teaching in an impoverished district, working at a non profit public interest organization, etc. Working as a paralegal doesn't fall into that category. In fact, it's common law school applicants to have paralegal experience. It will make very little difference, and won't overcome a low GPA or LSAT.
Despite the lip service law schools pay to "looking at the whole applicant", admission is very much a numbers game. Once you have your final GPA and LSAT score you will have a very good idea of where you'll get in and where you won't.
If you're looking to maximize your chances I would suggest 1) maximizing your remaining GPA, and 2) maximizing your LSAT score by taking the time to really prepare, including a prep class.
If you feel that you want to gain some resume experience, I'd look at fields that law schools might actually pay attention to.
Also, (and please don't take this as snarky criticism) you may want to consider whether law school is the right choice for you. Law school is much, much more difficult than undergrad, and the exams you will be required to take in order to graduate and get licensed make college and the LSAT look like kindergarten. If you had a tough time with college and the LSAT, you may want to think about this before spending $150,000 on a JD.
Lastly, you should consider what you want to do after law school, and whether or not your goals can be realistically met. I say that because with a 2.5 GPA you won't be going to Harvard or Stanford, and it's statistically unlikely that you'll score 175 on the next LSAT. If you do go to law school it will most likely be at a lower tier school. That's not necessarily a problem, but you may need to modify your expectations.
So, if your goal is to be a partner at a major NYC firm, or to work at the United Nations, you may want to reconsider. However, if your goal is to open your own office and handle divorces, that's different.
« on: March 27, 2014, 06:21:56 PM »
Honestly, you need to really think about whether or not law school is the right choice for you, not just whether you can get in anywhere.
Law school is much, much more demanding than undergrad. It's not even close. If you had a tough time getting passing grades in college, then law school is going to be brutal.
If you have a tough time with tests, like the LSAT, then consider that the MPRE and (especially) bar exam will make the LSAT look like a joke.
Please understand that I'm not trying to be overly critical, but these are things you need to consider before you go $150,000 in debt to obtain a degree which you may not be able to utilize.
As far as getting into an ABA law school, I think your GPA is going to be a huge problem even if you retake the LSAT and score in the 160s.
If you do decide to attend a CBE or unaccredited law school, take the time to thoroughly research the requirements and potential limitations of such a degree. Do a realistic, critical self-evaluation and figure out what caused you to get a low GPA. Unless that issue has been resolved, I'd rethink my plans.
"Proceed with Caution".
« on: March 27, 2014, 05:23:37 PM »
If you are interested in practicing law in LA, neither of these schools are ideal choices. You'd be better off attending school in LA.
UM obviously has greater name recognition, but it's not what I would call "elite". UM is an excellent school, but I don't think its reputation is so prestigious that the pedigree alone will open many doors in LA. For example, I would ask UM how many LA firms interviewed on campus recently. I'll bet the number is very low. That's because the larger LA firms have their pick of UCLA, USC, Irvine, Stanford and Berkeley grads. If they look out of state, its at places like Harvard and Yale.
At smaller firms and government agencies they are less concerned with pedigree, but they want relevant experience. It's difficult to make connections and gain internships (both of which will be critical to gaining employment) from 1500 miles away. Simply showing up in LA after three years in Minneapolis and starting from scratch is very tough.
From what I've seen, a graduate from a school like Loyola or Pepperdine who has significant local experience is often in a better position than a graduate from a higher ranked school who lacks experience. The exception being if the graduate is from a truly elite school like Harvard.
Also check the CA bar pas rates for UM. Law schools in MN are not designed to prepare you for the CA bar exam.
As far as Cal Western, I can understand the attraction of a 90% scholarship. If you plan to go into business for yourself, there is no reason in my opinion to accrue $150,000 debt. Most of your clients won't know the difference between Cal Western and Yale, nor will they care.
The problem, again, is location. If you want to practice in LA why go to school in San Diego?
For both schools, be sure to check the scholarship's stipulations. It may have some tough requirements.
If you have the numbers to get scholarships at UM and Cal Western, then you might want to shoot for a scholarship at a local LA school. At this point it probably means waiting a year, but it might be worth it.
« on: March 20, 2014, 05:45:01 PM »
I think you need to provide a little more info, like your GPA/LSAT, goals, where you want to live, etc.
« on: March 18, 2014, 03:55:46 PM »
I think it simply means that federal law sets the constitutionally permissible parameters of due process, but state law need not exactly mimic federal law as long as it's still within those parameters.
« on: March 15, 2014, 08:12:14 PM »
Maintain you are amazing. You say you don't know anything about these law schools, but you comment any way.
I said that there are certain considerations which are applicable to ANY law student, such as cost, location and future goals. Would you actually disagree?
« on: March 13, 2014, 05:59:40 PM »
Let me first say that I don't live in KY, and I'm not personally familiar with the market or any of these schools.
That said, there are some basic things which apply to everybody.
First, the actual education you receive will be nearly identical at any of these schools. You'll learn the same rules, study the same cases, and have a similar academic experience at just about any ABA law school. That's the point of ABA accreditation; to create a predictable set of standards.
Second, think about what you want to do after law school. UK may have a stronger local reputation than the others, and that might allow greater mobility (at least within KY). On the other hand, maybe NKU is in your hometown and you plan on practicing there. In that case, the ability to stay local is important and should be considered.
Last, think about cost. You likely won't be courted by big firms in LA and NYC coming from these schools, and you need to consider the likely starting income and the debt you will accrue. If one school is going to be significantly cheaper than the others, that would be a MAJOR consideration for me.
« on: March 11, 2014, 04:09:41 PM »
As Miami88 has already pointed out, your GPA/LSAT is pure speculation at this point. I'm not trying to be negative, but the reality is that most people do NOT achieve the high GPA and high LSAT that they think they will.
I've never seen any data which suggests a correlation between LSAT scores and SAT scores. They are very, very different tests. I mean, it makes sense that someone smart enough to score very well on the SAT would possibly do well on the LSAT too, but I'm suspicious of any point for point correlations.
At this early stage the best thing you can do is focus on getting the highest GPA possible. Your actual major won't make too much difference (unless it's in a hard science) as long as you have good grades. A history major might get a slight bump over, say, an art major, but most liberal arts majors will be viewed as roughly equivalent.
As far as the future of law, it depends on what you want to do. If your goal is to be an international policy development lawyer at the U.N., good luck. If your goal is to be a successful partner at a midsized firm, however, that's entirely possible. Think about your long term goals, be realistic, and let that guide your decision making process.
Hope that helps! Good Luck!
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