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Non-Traditional Students / Re: what would you do...
« on: June 01, 2007, 02:06:23 AM »
Like others said, you major doesn't really matter, you can get into LS with any major.  I was a bio major in UG.  I guess it's reasonable to fear the unknown.  You just have to believe it's possible and make it happen a step at a time.  Most people don't get into LS not because of grades or LSAT, it's they give up even before they apply. 

I didn't think I get in with my numbers, but I figured what's a few hours of my time filling out the application and $280 total in application fees.  I ended up getting into 4 out of 5 schools I applied to, so you just have to be persistent.

Good luck

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: stupid question
« on: June 01, 2007, 02:00:18 AM »
Every professor at my school that I spoke with admits LS doesn't really prepare you for the bar.  You almost always have to take a bar review course to make sure you'll pass.  Even a genius like Eugene Volokh took a bar prep course just to be safe (yes, he told me himself).

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: School Curves
« on: May 12, 2007, 03:05:19 AM »
yes I am baffled at why you can't admit you're misreading my posts and just say you're sorry.  You have an uncanny ability to read something and twisted completely around.  Bravo for your superior intellect. 


I think folks on this board are more than capable of reading our perspective posts and decide for themselves.

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I am going to PT program because:

1.  My job pays fairly well - big opportunity cost if I quit
2.  I kinda know what area of law I want to specialize in and I am currently in that field
3.  Own a house
4.  Married but no kid
5.  In between mid 20 and 30 so I think I will fit in better with working professional, married type of people.

If none of the above applied, I think I would have went with the full time.  I am not really looking forward to 4 years of full time work and evening law school.  Plus I gotta wear suit to class everyday since my work is business professional.  I would rather show up in jeans and flip flop.

I would LOVE to go to school around 9 AM to attend classes, read and study in between classes, hangout with fellow students in the evening discussing law, participate in all kinds of societies and networking events, you know, the whole works.

I was going to do PT, but got into a FT dream school I couldn't turn down.

so I:
1) quit the FT job I really hated and got 2 PT jobs working evenings and weekends
2) I am married with 1 child, own my own house 65 miles away from school, so I commute
3) I do study in between classes and at night after the family sleeps (if I had to)
4) in my mid 30's, so I'm the old guy in my section, but my classmates are fairly mature so I don't feel that generation gap except when I tell them I voted for Clinton the first time he ran.

in retrospect, I think going full time was the best decision.  The adjustment in family and work schedule worked out well for me anyways.  The 3.5 hours a day of class time isn't that bad.  If I had gone to a PT program, I would still need to spent the time studying, whereas now I use the weekend to work and weekday to "relax".  I get done in 3 years and not 4.  I don't actually know how employers view the difference, but I think for most non-trad, that won't be a problem.  FT program always out-rank their PT counterpart, again, don't know if that matters.

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Grade inflation happens everywhere.  But the employers also know there is grade inflation.  When you submit a resume or application on-line for OCI, the employer will ask you about the curve at your school and where your 3.4 falls on that curve.  3.4 looks impressive, but if 80% of people at your school have 3.4 or above, then it doesn't mean much because for all they know, you're the bottom 25%.

Yes, do go to the best school you get into.  Do learn as much as possible (not just law, but also about people and life). Do enjoy the time there.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Gunners....
« on: May 12, 2007, 02:41:55 AM »
I didn't mean for a post to be an abortion issue.  Just a silly illustration of what a typcial conversation in a classroom would sound like.  The substance of what I wrote isn't that important, or the spelling of a case.....

But I think there is a fundmental difference between an intellectual discussion about the validity of reasoning used by the courts and whether they stepped out of bounds or just follows a "evolutionary" approach versus imposing one's ignorance on the whole class.  I think ever since Marshall's days the SCOTUS has made up a bunch of bull just to get to the results they needed.  But early on I realized what I think isn't important at all, but my job is to figure out why you think the way you do and how I can convince 12 other people why I should have the better argument at the end of the day and have enough knowledge in the judicial reasoning process to forecast how I'm going to win....

You plan to be a trial lawyer, eh?

hopefully not, but the best defense is a strong offense.  If the other side knows you are not afraid of a trial, they are more likely to settle quickly.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: School Curves
« on: May 12, 2007, 02:33:43 AM »
My take on the curve:

   If yo are looking to pass and get the degree -- go to a school that has a high median curve.  My school has a B+ curve, so the average student will get a B+.  As per my Civ Pro pro "you have to perform catastrophically poor to end up with a C" and basically turn in a blank test to get a D/F grade.  On the other hand, if you do by chance get a C or lower, all the potential employer will know you messed up big.

   If you are smart (or think you are) and are willing to study and learn more than the next person, then go to the school that has a low curve.   That way comes OCI, the fact that only a few people got the excellent grade that you will (presumably) have will make you stand out more.

Horrible advice.  Don't listen to this person.  All else being equal, go to the best school and the school with the highest curve possible that you can get into, regardless of your work ethic. 

Advising people to go to lower ranked/lower curved schools because they have a "high work ethic" is so wrong that I believe it is unethical.  Ignore everything this poster says. 

Simply terrible advice.  Sorry, there is nothing good I can say about what this poster said.  He/she should not be giving advice to anyone, let alone regarding where prospective 1Ls should go to school.   

And I thought you are someone intellegent....

Where in the post did I mention going to a lower ranked school?  can you point that out?

People will and should go to the best school they get into, unless there are other factors to consider but the curve should not be one of them.  If you haven't noticed, usually the curve and ranking is related.  A top school is unlikely to give out many if any C's, while Cooley will likely let 1/3 of their class go. 

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Gunners....
« on: May 12, 2007, 02:28:22 AM »
I didn't mean for a post to be an abortion issue.  Just a silly illustration of what a typcial conversation in a classroom would sound like.  The substance of what I wrote isn't that important, or the spelling of a case.....

But I think there is a fundmental difference between an intellectual discussion about the validity of reasoning used by the courts and whether they stepped out of bounds or just follows a "evolutionary" approach versus imposing one's ignorance on the whole class.  I think ever since Marshall's days the SCOTUS has made up a bunch of bull just to get to the results they needed.  But early on I realized what I think isn't important at all, but my job is to figure out why you think the way you do and how I can convince 12 other people why I should have the better argument at the end of the day and have enough knowledge in the judicial reasoning process to forecast how I'm going to win....

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Gunners....
« on: May 12, 2007, 01:59:50 AM »
I thought:

Gunner -- "I'm going home( or to my personal cubicle in the library) right now to memorize the Restatement of Torts, Property and Contracts.  Even if they will never be discussed or tested anywhere, want to join me?"  And if you say no, then the response you hear will be: "then you won't make Law Review, get a firm job and make partner in 3 years, marry rich and live in a big fancy house and have a Porsche in the garage."  In class, the gunner tells the professor (who might have wrote the book) that the book was wrong because "according to Gibert/Emmanual/his private tutor(s) from WestLaw, the Supreme Court really meant for the case to stand for something different then what the professor thought.

The annoying/stupid-- The person who always raises hands and said: "I just don't see how the Supreme Court can get it sooooo wrong.  It's obvious Roe v Wade was wrongly decided and we should all stone women to death who wants an abortion because that's what (insert your source) says."  The professor will reply "well the courts have found women have a right to privacy as interpreted thru the Constitution, as evolved from Douglass's opinon in Grieswald and his penumbra of fundamental rights derived from the Bill of Rights."  The annoying/stupid: "Douglass was soooo worng in his penumbra crap,  I don't see how he can just make that stuff uo.  Blackmun was wrong in his 75 pages of analysis in Row v Wade,......  I just don't understand.....  I still don't see how or why people should have this right.....  I don't get why is is even a privacy issue....."

The ideal student -- Answers only what is being asked.  Ask only when if appears everyone else has the same question but was afraid to ask.  offers notes to anyone, even the guy/girl that missed class because of bar review.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: School Curves
« on: May 12, 2007, 01:42:42 AM »
My take on the curve:

   If yo are looking to pass and get the degree -- go to a school that has a high median curve.  My school has a B+ curve, so the average student will get a B+.  As per my Civ Pro pro "you have to perform catastrophically poor to end up with a C" and basically turn in a blank test to get a D/F grade.  On the other hand, if you do by chance get a C or lower, all the potential employer will know you messed up big.

   If you are smart (or think you are) and are willing to study and learn more than the next person, then go to the school that has a low curve.  That way comes OCI, the fact that only a few people got the excellent grade that you will (presumably) have will make you stand out more.

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