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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Leave T1 for niche TTT?
« on: July 27, 2011, 08:11:59 PM »
Also note that its mostly law students on this board and law students as a group are probably some of the most ill informed about job prospects (else I suspect many wouldn't be law students) - in short, ask people at prospective future employers - hopefully you have a solid network in NY public service or wherever you wanna end up - call some young attorneys there and get their take.

Slight correction: pre-law students are the most ill-informed about jobs prospects. And easy to spot, too. :)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Leave T1 for niche TTT?
« on: July 25, 2011, 11:09:19 PM »
@bigs5068: Thanks for the advice and encouragement. The cost and personal considerations really are the driving factors for me right now, and I agree that the CU name just isn't going to carry in NYC. I had a very helpful talk with one of my professors today, who would not BS me, and he agreed it was a sound idea given the considerations. I think it's the right decision, but part of me is (perhaps unreasonably) worried about the stigma of "transferring down."

If you don't mind, I'm curious to hear more about the CUNY students you worked with. Not to draw too much from examples, but did they seem any more or less prepared than your other peers? Is it normal for CUNY grads to get those kind of positions, or were they anomalies? Also, do you mind if I ask what school you went to?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Leave T1 for niche TTT?
« on: July 24, 2011, 11:43:55 PM »
This sounds like a terrible idea. The debt difference is insignificant and CUNY isn't going to get you any more leverage for public interest jobs than CU. Also, with the cost of living difference, I'm not convinced you would even save much.

Question: When you say CUNY won't give me any more leverage for PI jobs, do you mean in general, or for NYC specifically?

I have some strong personal reasons for wanting to be in NYC, even though I know the job market is extremely competitive. I don't think CU will have much or any recognition in the city, whereas CUNY might at least have some and would give me the opportunity to make contacts. Is my logic flawed?

I should also note that I'm willing to accept non-legal employment if need be.

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Where should I go next fall? / Leave T1 for niche TTT?
« on: July 23, 2011, 09:32:29 AM »
I posted on the transfer forum a while back, but figured I'd post here because I really need some objective advice.

I finished my 1L year at Colorado Law (ranked about 47th in USNWR), and while I really like the school, the area is really not for me and I could not see myself being here longterm. While Colorado is a T1, it's one with a very regional bent, so my job prospects would be mostly in this area. I'm in the top third of my class, have good relationships with a few profs and will be on a secondary journal next year, but I'm worried about portability. I don't have to tell anyone here about the poor job prospects for JDs generally, and I know it would be even worse if I'm trying to shop a degree outside of my school's market. If I stay here, I would probably try to "visit" a school out east my third year to try to do some kind of networking.

Before coming to law school I was doing nonprofit work in NYC, and I'd really like to get back into that at some point and restore some of what my life was before law school, but the schools in the city are outrageously expensive. I'm on scholarship at CU and would be paying sticker at a transfer, so I applied to (and got into) CUNY because it was cheap and has a public service niche, and was the only school where I could justify the expense. I know it's not considered a great school, but I think it might give me better prospects for public interest work in NYC and would actually cost less. I would also be able to live with family for very cheap to keep living costs down. (See debt estimates above.)

So my choice is to stay at a T1 out of my target region, or transfer to a cheaper niche TTT in the area I would want to live longterm. Keep in mind that I would prefer to do public interest or government work and am not interested in working for a firm. Any advice would be appreciated

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Transferring / Re: Transferring after your 2nd YR of LS
« on: July 14, 2011, 08:54:18 AM »
Can't be done, but you can be a visiting student your third year, wherein you take classes at a different school but receive your degree from your original school. A lot of people do this just to have access to networking opportunities in that final year if they're absolutely committed to a particular region.

As others have said, academia is hard to swing no matter where you go, but if you really want to shoot for it, your best bet might be to graduate from BC and apply to LLM positions at elite schools. Nearly all of my professors have LLMs in addition to having gone to Yale/Harvard/Chicago/etc.

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Transferring / Northeastern, CUNY or stay out west
« on: July 13, 2011, 09:51:53 AM »
I'm currently in good standing at a top 50 school out west, but I don't like the area or the culture and I'm getting worried about the cost, even with in-state tuition and some scholarship money. I want to do public interest law and have strong ties to the New York area, and I'm looking at CUNY as a more affordable option to achieve that goal. However, I've found it really hard to find good information on CUNY since it has such a narrow niche. My other option is Northeastern, which is great for public interest and has a very attractive co-op program, but is even more expensive than my current school. My final option is to just stay put for another year, then do a study-away my third year and network as best I can.

Anyone familiar with either of these schools who can help me make a decision? Any advice generally?

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