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Job Search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 21, 2009, 07:20:22 PM »
I think my thread got hijacked a bit. I got the job BTW.


General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: October 12, 2009, 10:29:28 AM »
That sucks to be so close and knowing you could have done it with accommodations. 

yea, but it is what it is, allways been like that for me, just got to try harder than everyone else, I'm gearing up for me re-take now, gonna ace this thing in feb.

Good luck, man.  You've got determination to spare.

Job Search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 12, 2009, 07:09:26 AM »
I mean, come on guys, where's everyone's healthy disrespect for authority, right? 

Although I suppose that the fact that I'm speaking to a bunch of law students who want to go into Biglaw really answers that question for me.

Right, I had forgotten about how you were rebelling against that career path.  It's not like you have at all considered that there might be some benefit -- even to someone who isn't completely naive -- to putting aside some pride and joining The Institution.

I too was going to point out that you, D., are also a law student who wants to go into big law...but random beat me to it.

Take it easy, guys.

Job Search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 10, 2009, 08:53:30 AM »
I told OP my take on the situation.  You called it "lame speculation."  I cited to classmates, recruiters, and associates, then ATL confirmed it all five days later.  Anyway, the fact that I know what I'm talking about isn't the point.  The point is that you tried to call BS when I described a strategy that virtually EVERYONE involved with hiring this year knows about.  Like I said on the 4th: the 2Ls know it, the recruiters are open about it and even the damn junior associates you knew from college will give you their takes on their firms' newfangled offer waitlists.

It made me  :'(  :'(  :'( when you you went  >:(  >:(  >:( but now I know that you were just  ???  ???  ???.   And I mean, I'm being sarcastic about it, but if you aren't involved this year then there's really no reason for you to have known that (though, "lame speculation"?  Really?).

Then we get:

Well, if my firm was that TTT I'd hope for the best and accept another offer elsewhere if and when I received it.  I wouldn't want to work for a firm that plays games like that.

But hey, that's just me.

Yowzers.  Pretty bold statement to make.  Observe:

You say you wouldn't work at one of these "game playing TTTs."  I wouldn't work anywhere else.  These "TTTs" are ranked all across Vault, from the V100 to the V5, and they include some especially healthy firms that have just chosen to be conservative ITE.  The "game playing" is nothing more than a hiring schedule based on good business sense; it isn't remotely shady, or whatever it is that the phrase "game playing" might intone.  And, lastly, with respect to the type of firm you're saying you would choose: a firm that doesn't carefully control its class size ITE is a firm that's setting itself up for oversubscription and subsequent no-offers (refer again to today's ATL article), so, with a few exceptions (WLRK and CSM come to mind), watch out for that.

Anyway, to speak to your ultimate point; if you got an offer at S&C, you'd be batshit crazy to turn it down for Debevoise just because Deb doesn't maintain an offer waitlist. 

So, yes, that's just you.

1. 180.

2. DudeMan: Boom, roasted.

Job Search / Re: undergrad - does it factor in at all?
« on: October 05, 2009, 11:18:52 AM »
I think it's helped me a little bit.  i.e., I've gotten a bit of a bump and a second look from places, and firms tend to think I'm more impressive because of it.  I don't think an Ivy undergrad would cancel out the effect of having mediocre grades, though.

Law School Admissions / Re: transfer worries...
« on: October 05, 2009, 11:15:19 AM »
so should I spend an extra year or two years in school?

This depends entirely on how much it would cost, whether you could stand doing so, and by how much it would raise your grade.  If it would take you two years to go from a 3.2 to a 3.3, and you'd need to get all A's, I doubt it's worth it.

Job Search / Re: Federal Public Defender - worthwhile?
« on: October 04, 2009, 06:46:51 PM »
Yep, it's prestigious and highly selective.  I've heard that you get to do a lot of litigation, although it's a lot of low-level drug offenders.

You are thinking of state court. AUSA's don't waste their time dealing with low-level drug offenders. They only choose to prosecute cases with large amounts of drugs and dealers higher up in the distribution chain. They will sometimes choose to step in if there is a gun involved where the defendant has a history of drug and gun offenses. Other than that, if it's not crossing state/USA borders or on Federal property, then AUSA's (and therefore Fed. Pub. Def.) don't deal with it. They leave it to the states.

I interviewed for a 1L position with the federal defender, and they told me that they deal with a lot of low-level drug offenders.

This was in a large metropolitan city, though, so the case may be different where you live.

Job Search / Re: Federal Public Defender - worthwhile?
« on: October 03, 2009, 10:09:48 AM »
Yep, it's prestigious and highly selective.  I've heard that you get to do a lot of litigation, although it's a lot of low-level drug offenders.

Job Search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 03, 2009, 10:07:14 AM »
Right.... So you can feel reassured.

I mean follow-up with your firm dude.  You are an adult.

TITCR.  Call the recruiter.

ECs are irrelevant for everyone but UMich and Yale.

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