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Before I make a long reply (which I have been known to do), let me ask you a few questions; what, if any, conditions are on the scholarships?

More specifically, does the TJ scholarship have a minimum GPA or class rank requirement? If so, what is it?

TJ graduates students, on average, with some of the worst job prospects in the nation. It is facing some severe financial issues (defaulting on debt obligations for its new building). It is offering full rides to students who score a 153/3.0 (uGPA) who, IMHO, are students who probably shouldn't be considering law school. So if you are *seriously* considering it, make sure you know what you're getting into, make sure that the "renewable" scholarship has conditions you are aware of, and price in the cost of living. And be aware that you very well could graduate and not have a job in the legal profession.

Huh. I just looked at TLS.

Part of me was like, "Woah. Pretty cool and vibrant. Kind of reminds me of LSD (heh) back in the day."

And then part of me was like, "WTF? This isn't the blind leading the blind... this is the some of the worst FUD I've ever seen. Nice avatars, though."

Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD v. UC Hastings v. (Maybe) UCI
« on: April 08, 2015, 05:09:53 PM »
I'm going to add a statement that largely agrees with Citylaw.

If you want to practice in LA/SoCal, and you have a free ride at Chapman (and check those scholarship conditions), then why not go there? Especially if the scholarship conditions are less onerous than other schools.

Look, USD and Hastings are better schools, but not by much. All things being equal, I would go to USD or Hastings. But they are not. If the difference is a full ride, plus you know you want to practice in LA, then go to Chapman. Just have very realistic expectations coming out of it.


Concur. I mainly disagree with you on small things because it's fun, and it keeps the conversations alive! I started posting here as a 0L back in the day, posted sporadically in law school (a little 1L, a little 3L), and then posted briefly my first year at BigLaw. I came back recently and couldn't believe the spam takeover. It makes me pretty sad; this used to be the go-to community.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD v. UC Hastings v. (Maybe) UCI
« on: April 08, 2015, 09:40:02 AM »
This is an important decision, but do not over-complicate it.

If I were in your shoes, the first factor for these two schools would be money, the second would be location. As of right now, I would not consider the joint MBA program a major factor- I have known a few joint MBAs, and they have been very driven, focused, and had specific goals in mind. No offense, but ... you are not striking me in that category. I may be wrong, but I would focus, right now, on the JD. Especially since you seem uncertain what benefit you would be deriving from that degree.

Although you would presumably qualify for in-state at Hastings, the tuition (without scholarships) is still higher than USD. The rankings differences do not really matter. If you want to practice in SoCal, you should go to USD, especially if your costs will be lower.

In short, everything you've written makes it sound like you should go to USD. The cost will be lower. The cost of living will be lower. It is closer to the market you want to practice in. IMO, it is the better option, given what you've written.

" I have kept my 1L property book, which is covered in pointless highlighter marks to remind to keep it simple,"

Heh. I never marked by books at all, since I took all my notes by writing (in actual handwriting!). Took 3 times as long, but it was worth it for me, and had amazing re-sale value!

But I will never forget one of my friends' tort books. The entire thing was highlighted. I asked her if the parts she didn't highlight were the important passages.

She didn't think that was funny.


A few quick notes-

1. Procrastination is the killer in law school. Here's why LSAT + uGPA (before grade inflation) were such a good predictor for success. The LSAT was decent at seeing if you had the aptitude for law school; in short, could you read, analyze, and do the logic (whether abstract, like applying rules to facts in torts, or more concrete, like 1L property). uGPA was a good proxy for follow through and work ethic. You do not have graded home work or quizzes. You will have final exam (most likely) that is 100% of your grade. You may have absolutely no feedback until the next semester, grade wise, how you are doing. You absolutely must stay current with everything- all the reading assignment, all the classes, all the time. Form a study group (if possible) with other students so you're talking about the classes. And so on. Find out what works best for you- I learn by writing, so I took extensive notes for each reading assignment (that's how I learn best). The only person who will keep you on task is you, and many people try and catch up at the end- it's too late. If you go to a lecture, and you haven't done the reading, and you're on facebook because you don't understand... then you're in trouble.

2. You will have to work twice as hard in the subjects you don't care about. Some subjects (whatever they might be) will be taught well, will make sense, and you'll love. You'll want to learn more. Some subjects will have a crappy professor, will be dry as hell, will be at 8am, and those are the ones you have to watch out for.

I only pass this along because I always get concerned when I hear people say that they never have trouble working when it's something they like. Well, of course. But that's why it's called work, and not happy fun time. :)


Congratulations, and it's good to see that SCU extended more money. I hope that the prior information I provided was helpful. It's a fine school, especially if you are going to practice in the area.

As I noted before, and you have seen, please be careful regarding the scholarship conditions. Try this on for size- how does your LSAT/GPA compare with the entering class at SCU? Based on trends, expect a 158 and a 3.5 to be the 50th percentile. IME, if you are overperforming those numbers, and have a good work ethic, you have a better shot at finishing in the top half of your class. While not dispositive, it has also been my experience that LSAT scores are very predictive for grokking law school, moreso than uGPA (provided you have a work ethic). Hope this helps!


I'm in agreement with you. I think, though, that we *both* emphasize the conditions on scholarships. A lot of these "free rides" may not be so free after all. Yes, they work for some people, but I've also known far too many people who have gotten suckered into them, finished just below the cutoff, and had to decide what to do (after already spending a year and taking out loans for their living expenses).

But I agree with you in one key aspect; absent special circumstances (for example, parents paying the tuition or going to one of the state schools were the full freight is actually *really* discounted for in-state, and you're getting in-state), I would never, ever recommend going full freight once you move past the t14 considering current tuition costs. Assuming reasonable scholarship conditions, full tuition scholarships at even a GG, SW > nothing at other schools, provided the 0L understands what they will need to do to succeed and their likely options at graduation.

(To give you an idea, GGU's stats are comparable, but technically worse, than Cooley's. These are schools where, if you're taking any amount of debt... plus the time (three years of your life)... then you're really taking a chance. Yes, I know they give opportunities to people who both didn't do well in undergrad AND didn't do well on the LSAT, but the sad fact is that most people who have major issues on both those counts are not going to be great in law school or as a practicing attorney. There are exceptions, of course, but... if those are the schools you are thinking of attending, it might pay to make absolutely sure you know what you're getting into.)

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