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Job Search / Re: Bias against part time/"second career" (older) students
« on: October 10, 2008, 06:35:16 PM »
Thanks for your responses.

However, the issue I am interested in is not so much "why didn't I get a job out of 8 applications" but how the older, "elite" (resume-wise) students have fared in comparison to the younger, not-so-elite students. Clearly the economy is affecting us all. But my school is extremely highly regarded locally, and is doing well in OCI this year (certainly comparable to last year, according to our Career Services people).

I know plenty of people around top 25% of the class who applied to 6, and have 3, 4 and 5 offers. No Law Review. That's really the thing that I am surprised by. It's more the inherent traditional v. non-traditional results that I am interested to hear about. If my school is faring well (which it is) it is still somewhat of a mystery to me how the top 5 students are foundering when lower-ranked classmates are seemingly swimming in offers...

Job Search / Re: Bias against part time/"second career" (older) students
« on: October 09, 2008, 08:01:50 PM »
Thanks for your responses.

Yes, only 8 law firms. We had a set maximum of 15 bids, and the midwest market I am in is not that large. Remove the IP firms and the purely-litigation firms, and the 2 behemoths that I wanted to avoid like the plague, and that leaves 8.

Job Search / Bias against part time/"second career" (older) students
« on: October 09, 2008, 06:07:44 PM »
Hi -

As I've already posted, OCI has been a bust for me. Applied to 8; 2 callbacks; 1 rejection, 1 waitlist. I know it's been a tough year for recruiting but I am ranked 5th in my class, CALI awards, Law Review, great work experience. I go to a T3 regional school (very well regarded) and have only applied to regional firms. I have been feeling a little sorry for myself, but clearly I am not alone.

What I did find out today, though is that out of the top 5 students at my school, we have made around 40 applications and only received 3 offers. That's not an average of three per student - that's three from the 40 applications. We all have Law Review, CALI awards, relevant work experience and we're personable and confident. However, we are all over 30 ("second-career students" I believe they call us!) and are part-time, evening students.

One of our number (one with an offer, incidentally) is convinced that the odds have been stacked against us from day one, and that these firms are looking for 24 year olds who can work 70 hours a week, have fewer family commitments and are more "pliable", as it were. I'm not sure. Frankly, knowing that it may have been a waste of time from day one is no more comforting than thinking that I may just have blown every interview so far.  Either way, it certainly stings to be surrounded by less stellar (on paper, anyway) people who are juggling 4, 5, 6 offers.

Has anyone else got any opinions/insight into this?

Job Search / Post-callback email - we will make you an offer if we can?
« on: October 08, 2008, 10:25:17 AM »
I have had a dreadful OCI experience. 6 interviews, 2 callbacks, one rejection. I'm top 5%, CALI awards, Law Review, great work experience. The callback from whom I hadn't heard anything (other than a "we appreciate your patience" email) sent me this yesterday:

"We feel you are a very strong candidate and you are on our list to receive an offer should the numbers allow.  We sincerely hope we will be able to include you in our program.  If we are in a position to extend you an offer in the next week or two as the decisions come in, we hope that you will strongly consider XXX for your summer clerkship."

(I interviewed late in the process and a wave of offers went out before I interviewed.)

So what do you think my chances are? I started to get hopeful but a couple of my classmates have cautioned me that so far, it's nothing but a "it was great to meet you" email that could very well be followed by "but we can't offer you a job." Surely they wouldn't send something like this unless they were pretty sure that they would be able to make an offer? Anyone else had this?

Job Search / Re: 2 callbacks and 2 rejections, why?
« on: September 28, 2008, 11:58:02 AM »
I feel your pain - and the callback I am still waiting on was interviewing 36 people for 6 positions. Fancy those odds?! I will second what someone else said about interviewing as early as possible. I was mid-way through the cycle and numerous offers went out before I interviewed.

I was supposed to hear last Thursday and instead I got an email saying "We're still deciding. We think you're a "very strong candidate" and we appreciate your patience." That was on the same day that I found out someone else had an offer from them, so I was INCREDIBLY despondent. As it happens, my mentor is on the recruitment committee and I called and had a chat with him. I asked if the email was a friendly precursor to a rejection and he said no, the rejected candidates all received letters already. Essentially (according to him) I have not been rejected, but that it was simply a matter of managing numbers of offers, etc. I inferred from this that I was some kind of "reserve", as it were, and he was quick to say "No, don't think of yourself as a reserve or backup. We're just trying to manage numbers."

What's the end to this? Who knows - I certainly don't have an offer yet. I am slightly more hopeful than I was last week, but only marginally. Fingers crossed that some people decline the offers and the few remaining interviewees aren't superstars. Not a pleasant place to be, admittedly.

Good luck - I hope something comes through for you.

Job Search / Re: Completely disheartened by OCI
« on: September 13, 2008, 04:49:25 PM »
Thanks for your comments so far.

To answer someone's question, I am at a T3 school with an excellent reputation locally (I only bid on local firms).

Good news is that I did receive another callback yesterday - so the tally so far is 6 screening interviews, 2 call-backs, 2 rejections, 2 heard nothings. I am trying very hard not to get despondent, and each place I received the call-back from (one firm, one corporation) would be good to work at.

I appreciate the advice, though. I am going to speak with a friend who interviewed with some of the same firms and see how she is faring...

Job Search / Completely disheartened by OCI
« on: September 12, 2008, 07:18:08 AM »
Just looking to moan...

I am ranked 5th in my class, have Law Review, CALI awards, and 7 years great experience as a corporate paralegal - and I am just buggering up OCI. I bid for 8, got 8 screening interviews and have had 6 so far. Of the 6, only 1 call-back. One rejection and 4 "heard nothings" but these interviews were roughly a week ago, so I figure if I haven't heard from them now, I am probably not going to.

I am just so despondent. I did a couple of "mock" screening interviews with our Career Service and they went great. I genuinely don't know where I'm going wrong. It's hard to accept that you look so much more impressive on paper than in person  :(

OK, pity party over. Unless anyone would care to join me?

Job Search / How quickly do OCI rejections come in?
« on: September 09, 2008, 04:55:48 PM »
Hi -

I've had a number of OCI screening interviews and have a callback from one. Two of the firms have started making their call-back phone calls - but unfortunately not to me.   :( Oh well, that's the way it goes. How long would you expect to wait before receiving the rejection email/letter? I would have thought that it would have been pretty quick, but it's been almost a week and I've heard nothing. (The friend who got the callbacks was actually rejected by the firm that gave me the callback, and she found out the same day as me.) I am not harboring any hopes that I will get a callback, but just interested in other people's experiences. Thanks.

Job Search / Thank you notes after screening interviews?
« on: September 05, 2008, 04:09:15 AM »
Are you sending thank you notes after the initial OCI screening interviews? My law school strongly suggests sending them but they seem a little OTT to me (and, if I'm honest, a little kiss-ass.) I could understand after a call-back interview, but I'm not sure about the initial screening ones.


I second everything beachbum said. I have also just finished my 1L while working 32 hours a week.

It's been the hardest year of my life. My job (I am a corporate paralegal) is very demanding, and combine that with the work at school and I have been exhausted since August. I have been putting in approx 75 hours a week since day one. Thankfully, my grades reflect the work I've done, but honestly, unless you are willing to put EVERYTHING except work and school on hold, I wouldn't recommend trying to combine Law School and work. It's a killer.

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