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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FSU v. UF
« on: March 23, 2009, 09:43:23 AM »

Here is a sample Florida grad in public interest:

And here is a sample UM law student ... .

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UGA v. Emory v. GA State
« on: March 23, 2009, 06:26:16 AM »
Overall, I think your best bet would be UGA.

First, you would probably be more competitive for admission at UGA than Emory if your real score is consistent with your practice scores. GSU would almost be a guarantee. However, it is often the case that your real score is lower than your actual (I was getting 3-5 points higher on my practice exams than what I got on the real thing).

Incoming Class - Fall 2008

Median LSAT - 163
Median GPA - 3.67

Median LSAT - 165
Median GPA - 3.55

However, I think what is most important is that you are a GA resident and want to practice law in GA. First, as a GA resident your tuition will be dirt cheap at UGA as compared to Emory. Second, GA firms are biased against those who are not from and/or do not exhibit a true intention on staying in GA. Going to both GSU for undergrad (which I am assuming you did from your sn) and UGA for law school, would be a pretty good showing to GA law firms that you are committed to staying in GA. Whereas, since Emory has so many out of state students, they have a harder time convincing law firms that they are not going to skip town after working for a few years in GA. If you do not get into UGA, you will most likely get into GSU, which is not that bad of a gig either. Unless you get a full ride at Emory, I would go with UGA first and then GSU. Hope that helps! Good luck.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FSU v. UF
« on: March 22, 2009, 07:01:36 PM »
Eh, I've got a friend considering the same thing, and I'll tell you the same thing I told him. I grew up around a lot of lawyers in Florida, and none of them (even the FSU fans) will tell you FSU has the same reputation Florida does. As you say, Florida is the top school in the state, and regardless of what U.S. news says my anecdotal evidence suggests it's not really that close.  You can ignore my user name, since I obviously didn't stay at UF for law school.  The scholarship makes it a much closer call.. I would say definitely go with FSU because of the money, but low cost of in state law school in Florida makes it less of a factor.  I would just go with whichever school seems like a better fit... people grossly undervalue the lifestyle aspect of selecting a law school.  I think FSU law is a lot smaller than Levin? (most schools are)

Depending on where in Florida you grow up, you'll get vastly different opinions of which school is best. If you grew up in Tallahassee, you'd probably think the exact opposite based on the strong FSU bias here. If I didn't know better, I'd think UF was on par with Stetson or Nova based on what I hear here, and no one really ever talks about Miami. Even Stetson gets great word of mouth in it's area... and that's the funny thing about anecdotal evidence, it's functionally worthless.

FSU is about 500 people smaller.

Your dedication to your law school is commendable. However, the reality is UF Law >> FSU Law. Numbers and football don't matter, it is all about reputation. When you start looking for your SA position you will learn this very quickly.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FSU v. UF
« on: March 22, 2009, 06:54:34 PM »

UF and FSU are pretty much on par in the state.

Flat out wrong. UF >> FSU. However, FSU + Full Scholarship > UF + no scholarship. I don't go to either school, but have looked for jobs Florida, so no bias, just experience.


I agree.  But, based on the situation where he is offered full scholarship, but has to in the upper 45%-40% of the class at FSU, do you think he should go to FSU or UF?

That is a tough call. Well, I would take the scholarship and use that as motivation to bust my butt. However, if the OP does not make the top 40-45% at FSU, they probably would not have done much better at UF, and being in the bottom half at either school is not a desirable place to be. So I would take my chances at FSU.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FSU v. UF
« on: March 21, 2009, 08:51:48 PM »

UF and FSU are pretty much on par in the state.

Flat out wrong. UF >> FSU. However, FSU + Full Scholarship > UF + no scholarship. I don't go to either school, but have looked for jobs Florida, so no bias, just experience.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Florida State 1L Taking Questions
« on: March 21, 2009, 05:03:58 AM »

Miami carries a ton of weight both in Florida and outside of the state.

This is not true. Only if you do very well at UM will you have chances outside of the state.

I am from Florida, went to UF for undergrad and it was one of the markets that I targeted for my 2L SA search.

I think if you want to work in Florida, St. Thomas would be your best bet. Since St. Thomas is in Miami, you'll have more exposure to firms and alumni practicing in S.Fl. However, it will be difficult to place anywhere outside of S.Fl. Since Coastal is in Jacksonville and the legal market there is very small, youll get less in regards to alumni and firms.

However, if you want to work outside of Florida, your choice is a bit more difficult. Cooley is more "well known" than Coastal or St. Thomas. However, it is well known for not the right reasons. It is basically (and I am not trying to sound like a male private part, more like a realist) the joke of law schools. This is because of their ridiculous and misleading rankings that they generate that puts them in the top 20 of law schools and that they are essentially a law degree mill.

Also, BigLaw will be difficult from any of these schools. However, BigLaw in Miami is your most realistic option, which requires you to attend St. Thomas and be in the top of the class.

Hope that helps!

If you can find a way to determine a law student's networking and rainmaking potential from a resume, then by all means share it with them. Grades/School are their best means of taking 200+ resumes and selecting 20 for interviews. I was suggesting how to get one of the 1-3 callbacks that they'll give out of those 20 interviews. 

Let me take stab at JeNeSaisLaw's question regarding IP law and the job market. I am a 3L at Emory who will be working at a big law firm in Atlanta upon graduation doing patent prosecution, well at least I have accepted a job offer working at a big law firm doing patent prosecution, with this market who knows what's going to happen.

Note: all my advice applies to the Atlanta big firm job market. I have no knowledge of any other markets aside from what my friends have told me,

I agree with the previous poster that your inability to sit for the patent bar will significantly reduce your chances of landing an IP job. I believe in this market, any firm in Atlanta is going to want someone in their IP practice that can sit for the patent bar. A patent prosecutor can do IP litigation, but an IP litigator cannot do patent prosecution. However (as with most things in law school) if you get good grades, then you most likely can get into an IP practice at a big firm in Atlanta. Moreover, if you can somehow market yourself to firms that your programming background gives you some sort of advantage in the IP field then do so and do it vigorously. It is all about the bottom line for big firms, what is it about you that is going to make them money, find something that makes you better suited then your classmates to make the firm money and hammer that home as often as you can.

Also, I think it is important to note, that there is a difference between people who want to practice IP law and patent prosecutors. You need to be able to sit for the patent bar to be a patent prosecutor, to practice IP law you do not. Not suprisingly, there is a strong demand for patent prosecutors and not for IP law practitioners. I mention this because I do not know anyone in the 3L class who wants to be a patent prosecutor and are qualified to do so that does not have a job (and a good job at that). However I do know people who would love to practice IP law, but do not have a job. It may seem like a trivial distinction, but it is quite significant.

I do agree with the previous poster that it is an advantage that you have work experience. Once again, it is up to you to take this advantage and make sure the firms know it and make it distinguish you from the hundreds of other law students they interview.   

Finally, Atlanta firms are notoriously adverse to non-Atlantians. If you have any connection to the area, make it known.

Good luck!

Current Law Students / Re: Miami or Atlanta?
« on: October 15, 2008, 10:32:25 AM »
I think it's also worth it to consider that FL has no personal income tax.

Also, from what I gather, FL has a lot more places to work while GA is pretty much Atlanta or nothing. Atlanta is bigger than any market in FL, but FL has several other large cities you could head to once you get tired of Miami (Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Tallahassee [in the legal market sense] all come to mind).

And if you combined all of those legal markets, they still would not be as big as Atlanta's. Also, Miami lawyers have a BAD reputation. They are often compared to New York lawyers, which is not a good thing. Furthermore, there are a ton of companies based out of Atlanta (Delta, UPS, Home Depot just to name a few), so if you go with this "top" Atlanta firm, you will most likely be doing fairly sophisticated work, which always helps pad the resume. COL is also less in Atlanta. 

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