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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SEO Corporate Law Program
« on: May 09, 2006, 03:07:48 PM »
Have fun this summer, you guys. I had to turn down my offer - I'm too broke to move :(

Sorry to hear that...would have been cool meeting you out here... :'(


Speaking of funds, though...how much do we get paid? Is that firm-to-firm or do we all get the same compensation?

AKA:that's dope, congratulations!

good stuff AKA!!
chido: I think it depends on where you're placed.  Someone said earlier in this thread he was told 1k a week by the SEO ppl.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SEO Corporate Law Program
« on: May 08, 2006, 09:01:29 PM »
I'm in as well...has anyone heard from their firm yet?

nope, should be soon though.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: NYLS
« on: May 08, 2006, 09:31:42 AM »
This is good stuff.  Please keep it comin . :D

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: May 07, 2006, 12:45:46 PM »
I wanna be on there!   Send me the e-mail already!

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Yale Law
« on: May 04, 2006, 10:19:37 AM »
I wasn't around for that but its a new era now!

Lol

I know of a kid going to Harvard next year who was on his college's D-1 Bball team.  Yale watch out!

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: May 02, 2006, 09:43:00 AM »
I'm going to go visit tommorrow :)

I wonder how steve is enjoying his visit  ;D

I predict he will be at CLS next year :D

Vote for me in '08!  :-*

I enjoyed it very much, thanks :)

congratulations on starting to lean heavily toward the right choice.

now we need to start coaxing demingh back...

Sending deposit tommorrow :)

So, you're ok w/ going to a law school that looks like a toaster??  lol Congrats!!!

This is a big victory for CLS!

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Law School Applications / Re: Do I have to double Major?
« on: May 01, 2006, 03:39:20 PM »
TITCR

totally unrelated, but why have you withdrawn from every school that has accepted you?

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: John Marshall - ATLANTA
« on: May 01, 2006, 03:33:01 PM »
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Get out of your little prestige obsessed "LSD" world and open your eyes.  Its absurd how ppl on this board obsess over school rank.  Yeah, your school will open doors, but its an individual not a school that makes a career.  Drive, perseverance and work ethic, which are three important components to success, are 3 things that the LSAT will never measure.

Does everyone who attends Cooley lack drive, perseverance and work ethic?  Or are they all stupid?  I would say they are just as driven as people who go to better school, and they are certainly not all stupid.  Tell me, if not prestige, how do you explain the gap in relative success of Cooley grads and U-Mich grads?  The fact is, ranking matters a great deal. 
People who goes to T3/T4 are as driven as you and I are, they are probably more so due to ever looming risk of being forced out.  They paid big money for their education and worked their ass off to get passing grades and yet, many of them still get no job, or only crappy jobs.  I don't blame the students, I blame the schools.   
I also blame the general American sentiment that there exist a valid execuse for every kind of failures in life. 
For low GPA people says: "oh I got a 2.0 in undergrad because my major was hard and I didn't know what I was doing, it is not representative of my lawyering skill."
For dismal LSAT they would say: "I got a 1.45 on the LSAT because I was sick that day or I am not a good test takers or a single exam cannot fully measure my potential as a laywer". 
For going to a crap school, they would say "It is not the school that makes you successful, it is your lawyering skill, it is your drive, perseverance and work ethic." 
then ask yourself, if you have such great drive, perseverance and work ethic, why do you still end up at a T4?  Are you stupid?


Here's an example of your tomfoolery:

"Crap schools like these trick their students into enrolling with illusion of future big $$$ law jobs, or the possibility to transfer up to better schools."

Where the hell are you getting this kind of stuff from??  You make broad, sweeping generalizations about these schools when you have no base to draw this knowledge.  You obviously don't post in these threads to give worthwhile advice because if you did you wouldn't just spew insults.  What's your real reason for these posts?  I know if I were any of these ppl I would be that much more motivated to go to my T3/T4 and kick ass so I could wipe the floor with T14 grads who think they're going to ride their school's prestige to the top.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: John Marshall - ATLANTA
« on: May 01, 2006, 02:52:27 PM »
Hi AtlantSteve, I was hoping you would respond. I agree with the sentiment about washing people out, I was more concerned with the fact that nobody is receiving any A's or very many B's........does that not strike you as odd? The student did tell me this was the first year there was actually competition to get into the school, so I don't know if that will change.

I believe so (if I didn't believe that pretty strongly I wouldn't be investing this much time and $$$).  Not to be mean, but I take a pretty dim view toward students that would attend a non-ABA-approved school... so as you move away from the time of that being the class makeup, you should see the caliber of student go up.


I also spoke with the Career Services director and she said they have students who intern with the largest firms in Atlanta......apparently it's reputation in Atlanta is on par with GSU and Mercer.

Heh, I hate to "feed the trolls", but even I wouldn't argue with a kiddie like "yiplong" over this.  I think that JM's rep in Atlanta will have a ways to go in order to catch up with GSU.  I do think we can be more competitive against Mercer in the near future, because Mercer grads seem to practice more in the rural parts of Georgia than Atlanta.  Who knows, though... since Mercer has been eating GSU's lunch recently, and GSU dropped double-digits in the latest U.S. News rankings, maybe the competitive landscape for the local market COULD get shaken a little.  That kind of thing seems to take time, though.

Still, I refuse to believe that taking a backseat to another school means you're "doomed".  Jobs aren't so scare that only one school can fill them all, and I don't know how well a bottom-of-the-class slacker from GSU would compete against a top-of-the-class JM student.  We'll see, though!


My LSAT is not anywhere near as good as yours, but I too plan on being among the top.......but I bet we all think that.  ;D ;)

Heh, I felt like such a jerk after typing that.  Believe me, I don't take anything for granted based on the LSAT, and I don't think that a high standardized test score automatically puts me ahead of other students.  Despite being smart I didn't have enough focus to manage priorities the last time I was in a classroom setting.  Hopefully 7 years of professional experience since graduation has matured me, but I'll still be facing the same temptations since I'm balancing school with a full-time job.  I'll may need to rely on support from family and friends (and fellow students!) to keep on track and live up to the potential.


Since your only hope for law school rests with Quinnipiac and JM in Atlanta, I guess I can understand your tendency to justify your decision to go to that crap school.
I am from Connecticut and I can tell you how dismal Quinnipiac’s reputation is in the area.   And even this one is ranked Tier3, afaik.  Imagine a school so crappy that it is not even fully ABA!  I wonder why the consumer protection guys are still taking no action.  Crap schools like these trick their students into enrolling with illusion of future big $$$ law jobs, or the possibility to transfer up to better schools.  For vast majority of their students, this is probably a straight out lie.  They are not going to get any high paying law jobs and they won't be able to transfer.  Heck, many of them won't even graduate!
There are exceptions to every rule, people do graduate from Cooley and make big $$$$, but remember the odds are overwhelmingly against you.  These people who make millions coming from Cooley would very probably make millions even if they didn’t go to law school.  I am sure a Cooley degree rarely enhances one’s earning potential.  Your money and time will be better spent elsewhere, on a MBA, on a job or whatever.  Imagine how much you can earn in 3 years with only a dismal 35k salary, if you work instead of going to school.
What if the provisionally approved school lost its accreditation by the time  you graduate? 


Yiplong, don't you have anything better to do w/ your life?  You post on like every T3 and T4 thread just to bash these schools.  Sounds like a self esteem issue to me.  Bashing others to make you feel better about yourself?  Ridiculous.  There are many jobs one can do coming from these schools.  Yeah, it might be a tough road if they want Biglaw, but many, many other positions (the vast majority of law positions btw) are going to be open to these students.  Get out of your little prestige obsessed "LSD" world and open your eyes.  Its absurd how ppl on this board obsess over school rank.  Yeah, your school will open doors, but its an individual not a school that makes a career.  Drive, perseverance and work ethic, which are three important components to success, are 3 things that the LSAT will never measure.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: May 01, 2006, 01:56:54 PM »
I'm going to go visit tommorrow :)

I wonder how steve is enjoying his visit  ;D

I predict he will be at CLS next year :D

It would be funny if he ended up at CLS.  A couple weeks back him and I got into a little war of words when I called him an NYU troll.:D

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