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I currently have a 3.0 GPA with the intent? to acquire at least a 3.5 GPA...

I am a freshmen in college...this is my second semester and so far it hasn't been going good. My personal life has been very stressed where I haven't been able to concentrate on my school work. In fact, I find that I am sleeping a lot, which I think is due to a slight depression. I just don't care about anything really...perhaps I do but in a way I don't...

Anyway, I have spoke with one teacher and she is willing to give me an IP, which means I have more time to do the course work so I can have the chance to get a good later grade.
In another course, I haven't been attending and I haven't done any papers. In another course, it's pretty much oral communications so I think I can manage. Lastly, my other course, my professor says I can do some papers and before the Withdraw deadline date, he will tell me if I will pass with a good grade.

So, basically how bad will 2-3 W's look on my transcript? Or should I withdraw from college and come back next semester...or never... Or should I throw in towel and give on a top law school :'(?

Why do you want to be a lawyer? What do you want to achieve? What type of lawyer do you want to be? So a professor said you should be a judge; well what do you want to be...?

If the only reason you want to go be a lawyer is for the money then you picked the wrong profession given your grades (unless you are an IP guy). Additionally, even if you were top of your class you would have to slug it out 80hrs a week at a large firm for many years before you could even hope of being partner. With all that time working you would have no time to spend your money.

So what do you want out of it?

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General Board / Re: How important is rank anyways?
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:57:37 AM »
Both law review and moot court provide you practical experience that ranking low in a top-tier school will not. It's elementary my dear Watson.

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Bar Exam / Re: Indiana Bar Study Courses?
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:54:25 AM »
If you look at the website in my signature it offers free bar exam outlines (in exchange for some of your old law school outlines). The bar outlines were created using the BarBri courses along with several others.

The only reason I am mentioning it is because the bar outline pack also includes bar outlines for several Indiana courses such as commercial paper and secured transactions. Just some food for thought if you are looking to save some money on bar courses with Indiana.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Good site for law outlines
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:49:06 AM »
The outline would tell you duty, breach, actual and proximate cause, and damages are the elements of negligence, but that is not going to be helpful. The job of a lawyer is to analyze and argue how those elements either existed and apply them to a certain fact pattern.

I would only expect an outline to teach me that; and therein lies its usefulness... It provides the big picture ahead of time so that while you are in class you can spend less time trying to figure it out and more time learning how to apply it. That isn't how everyone will do it, but that's what quite a few do and it works well for them.

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Learn to enjoy the material. If you love something it is much easier to succeed in it. I know it sounds corny but it's the truth.

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Those courses can be helpful to not only give you a head start but also help you determine if law school is for you. It is better to figure out before spending $25k that you don't want to be a lawyer.

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U of Toledo / Law School Outlines & FREE Bar Exam Outlines
« on: March 15, 2011, 08:01:39 PM »
Figured I would give a plug for a new website www.outlines4lawschool.com which not only has tons of law school outlines for UT but also is running a limited time promotion for a complete set of bar exam outlines completely FREE. This is a limited time promotion and only available to 500 people.

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A lot of it depends on the school. Some schools test towards the bar exam. They have a 1 hour multiple choice and a 2 hour essay. If you are in that situation then pick up a used bar exam multiple choice book from ebay and go to work on the multiple choice questions. While you may have some state specific questions that the bar book will not have, it is at least good practice for getting your timing down on the multiple choice.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Good site for law outlines
« on: March 15, 2011, 07:54:13 PM »
You are so right Thane. I am always surprised when people go to these websites or buy supplements etc respecting results from doing that alone. This one guy said he never reads the cases, but just read supplements and looked at the commercial outlines etc. Needless to say he did not survive the first year. Not only are these commercial outlines not written by your specific professor who will add their own spin to the law, but as Thane said you need to struggle through the material in your own head to make sense of the law. These supplements and outlines can be helpful, but the most important thing  to do is read the cases and have a basic understanding of the concepts prior to class. Then show up and pay extremely close attention when you are in class. Considering most students are paying somewhere around $200 for each hour and fifteen minute session you owe it to yourself to show up, stay off the internet, and try to stay alert to comprehend the material. If I spent $200 on Laker tickets I would (a) show up, (b) not look at my facebook the whole time, (c) try to enjoy watching the game - so you should try to enjoy law school since nobody is forcing you to be there.

But would you go to the Lakers game if they put a box over your head during the entire game and the box only had a small pin-hole to see through? For many people, this is how lawschool works. They don't tell you the answers up front. The cases are archaic and only have one or two minor points in them relevant to the final exam. Finally, it just takes too much time to vomit down everything the professor says and parse it later. It is so much easier to have the outline in front of you while the professor is talking and simply edit/modify it as you follow along. I don't see why there is any opposition to this. If I paid someone $20k for a year, I would expect them to teach me and not play hide the ball.

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Socratic Method / Re: Pass on day 3?
« on: March 15, 2011, 07:46:12 PM »
We've had 3 people pass in our Contracts class already, and today the professor gave us all a lecture on the importance of preparing.  Seriously i dont know whats so hard about just looking up the case online and finding a brief if you couldnt get all the reading done, at least if you do that you wont look like a complete idiot.

Sure wish that when I went to law school more stuff was online. It wasn't too long ago that the high-notes (if that was what they were called) case summaries from the bookstore were all you could get and often they were not for your book so you only had 50% of the cases. I somewhat envy students now... though law school was hell so I care not to do it again.

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