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Case Western Reserve / Attending Case Fall 2006
« on: March 25, 2006, 01:04:33 PM »
I figured I would start up another thread for this year's entering class.  Is anyone else planning on attending Case starting this Fall?

General Board / Re: LSAT Score no predictor of success
« on: January 19, 2006, 09:42:11 PM »
I got a 0.16 correlation in the study I did for my honors senior thesis and I was pretty happy about that. (As were my advisors.) It was in the Social Psychology/Consumer Behavior/Marketing field.

Most of that would likely be chalked up to statistics error and the study would certainly have to be redone, at least in most psychological disciplines, I'm not all that familiar with consumer behavior or marketing.

Yeah, cuz you know they are just lettin' us darkies into law school with "All Deliberate speed", I mean how else do you explain the fact that no minority makes up more than 4% of the 800,000 lawyers in this country.

Matter of fact, when I was on campus today I saw someone from Yale with a sign that said, "Come to Law School and getcha 'Learn On!!!"


People really should realize that just because you include the disclaimer, "No offense" it doesn't nullify the asinine comment yer about to make.

There is nothing inaccruate about what the original poster said.  Minorities are let in at schools with a lower LSAT than whites are.  There is no debating that.  Maybe the original poster could have phrased it better, but that doesn't make it any less true.  Whether or not that is a good or a bad thing is a completely different discussion.

General Board / Re: LSAT Score no predictor of success
« on: January 19, 2006, 08:36:10 PM »
Thanks for the link, it was quite interesting.  Knowing that takings a prep course or doing prep work would have raised my score by an average of 7 points is a nice thing to know. 

As far as I/O being a completely separate beast you are correct.  I suppose when looking at correlations you really need to specify which area you are talking about, as I agree that a correlation of 0.30-0.40 is high in an area such as Personality Psychology, whereas that same correlation would only be moderate in I/O or some areas of Social Psychology.

General Board / Re: LSAT Score no predictor of success
« on: January 19, 2006, 04:33:45 PM »
Just to let you know, a .35 to .40 correlation is pretty much as high as you'll ever see for any type of correlation test. (with regards to pshychology at least) I've also got to tell you that I'm highly skeptical about where you received your information about the LSAT's predictiveness. Did you do some type of meta-analysis? If you did, I would like to see it.

Just to let you know, a .35 to .40 correlation is considered middle-of-the-road and not at all large.  A large correlation would be at least .70 and can be found in psychology all of the time.  For example, in hiring standard interviews and assessment centers routinely correlate with job performance in excess of the .60 or .70 level.  Subject-specific GRE and SAT scores often exhibit correlations in excess of .70 with respect to varying academic criteria in college/graduate school.

These data are based on meta-analyses and if I can find my notebook from last spring I will gladly post the specifics.  As to doubting the source of the information, I received it from my industrial/organization psychology professor at different periods during two of his courses (Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns and Industrial Psychology) that were taken at an institution that consistently ranks in the Top3 in the specialty area.

General Board / Re: LSAT Score no predictor of success
« on: January 17, 2006, 02:58:38 AM »
I took an advanced Psychology class last semester focusing on Intelligence and the LSAT's predictive power with respect to 1L grades is roughly equivalent to the predictive power of the ACT/SAT for first-year undergraduate grades, with a correlation between the two in the range of 0.35-0.40, which is by no means great.

The reason, at least theoretically, that law schools continue to value the LSAT so highly is that while the predictive power is low, it is the best predictive tool available to them, unfortunate as that is for some of us (including me).

Acceptances / Re: Indiana-Summer Start
« on: May 25, 2006, 09:34:46 PM »
I am not sure of the exact location of the thread (if you do a search for Indiana or IU you should be able to find it), but I believe a few people on this board have stated that they are planning on the summer start.  Also, I believe the guy who set up the IU google group is doing the summer start, so you may want to send out an e-mail there.  Hope that helps, and hope to see you next fall.

Acceptances / Re: Indiana Bloomington v. Case?
« on: May 19, 2006, 08:28:54 PM »
Looks like there's a pretty big IU-B contingent forming.  :)

Law School Applications / Re: Senior Year Grades?
« on: May 19, 2006, 08:08:30 PM »
i think the general consensus is that if you graduate you are good, or at least don't have straight D's or something.

Acceptances / Re: Indiana Bloomington v. Case?
« on: May 18, 2006, 10:55:48 AM »
If you're really interested in International Law in D.C. or NYC, why not just go to American?  Will it cost that much more?

Where should I go next fall? / Re: IU
« on: May 17, 2006, 01:29:19 PM »
Thanks for the advice.  I've heard good things about Poolside so I will be checking that out.  I'm also going to look into the parking situation and how good the bus system is.  If those are acceptable I might be looking into getting an apartment a little further off campus.

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