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Public education system for k-12, then private for college. A lot of the public schools were just too big for what I wanted in college, but there are certainly very prestigious public universities.

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Fern, judging by your writing, you been partying just a tad too much.

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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: First Term at Cooley
« on: August 26, 2010, 04:04:18 PM »
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To say WE (3t/4t) are Walton and the 1T i Kobe is bothersome because many of us have beat those big named schools in court and while I understand you analogy there seems to be an image issue where the Harvard's of the world believe they are better than the Cooley students of the world. 

They are better? Im comming froma  T3, but I fully believe Harvard, on average, produces some of the best lawers. I have no doubt they do. Also, just becuase you may have beaten a Harvard lawyer, doesn't mean Cooley is any bit as good of a school as Harvard, and when people compare Cooley to Harvard, they loose a lot of credibility. I will be honest, I would pay full tution at Harvard before going for free at Cooley in a heartbeat. That will never be an option for me however. I

Look, there are some strong points to Cooley, but please, don't try and compare it to Harvard, its not. It is what it is. I understand you are going to defend your alma matter, but lets keep it reasonable.

Also it is a good analogy, Harvard will come out superstars, no doubt about it. T3/T4 will need to fight thier asses of to beat a Harvard grad, possible, but not easy. That was the analogy. T4 students 99% of the time are not better than Harvard admits, not matter how much you want them to be. There are plenty of very smart people at Cooley, Pace, and every law school, and what I say is not meant to knock those schools, but please tell me one person who chose Pace (or Cooley) over Harvard. There is a reason for that.


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I don't care what spin you want to put on it, but I would have 3 friend more on earth if it wasn't for a guy getting hammered drunk at a bar and driving home and piling through them as they walked across the street. Am I insane about it? Perhaps, but I don't see why that guying wanting to drink excessivly and drive is a reason those three people should be dead.

But no, I do love the whole "everyone does it so its good", sure makes a lot of sense. Until you think about it.

What are people in rural areas supposed to do? How about not drink and drive? Get some friends together and take turns being DD. Its not that hard. If you can't handel that, only have a beer, why do you need to get drunk? Perhaps the 3 beers is a tad much for a DUI, but 99% of the time thats not the case, its people blowing a .10 or more, I mean, I am sorry if its unreasonable, but I just don't see why your good time should endanger others. Maybe I am just stupid, but I don't understand how anyone can sit there and say its not a big deal. It is a big deal.

I have never drank and drive (if I am driving I will not have more than 1 beer), and I will always offer to drive anyone to the bar, I have no problem with that, so its not really hypocricy on my part.

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Law School Applications / Re: Undergrad Blues: First Semester Failure
« on: August 25, 2010, 12:24:17 PM »
Let me rephrase, you are a great canidate, but maybe fringe for T14. You do have a good shot tho, so go for it!

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Class Statistics?
« on: August 25, 2010, 12:22:59 PM »
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Students in law school represent the smartest 5% of students in the country.

I don't agree with that at all. What about Med School, Masters Programs, PhD programs, or the very smart people who just decide to go off to work. While it takes effort to go to law school, and some degree of intelligence, I don't agree that I am smarter than 95% of the population (I'll even say that im the dumbest law student, because who knows, I could be?). I think that is kind of an elitest view, and not only is it completely unprovable, its just a silly way to look at it.

Otherwise, your right, I would love to see pickle try that. Really, that doesn't work past high school. It is immature and not really that embarassing to the teacher, it is more an embarassment to the student to say that.

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Law School Applications / Re: Undergrad Blues: First Semester Failure
« on: August 25, 2010, 07:26:41 AM »
Well, your cumulative GPA will probably hurt you a bit, however, you did show a very strong upward trend, and law schools do like that alot. Your LSAT is very strong, which will certainly help you, but you are in an uphill battle. I would say try, you aren't a rediculously bad candiate, and I think the returning to school and doing well will really help your chances.

Good luck!

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General Board / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 03:26:06 PM »
Look, you're not getting what I am saying, nor apparently what everyone else he is saying. Its not that big of a deal. I understand it hurts him. Oh well. Its something that you hope doesn't happen to others, but it does. Suck it up, do better next time, thats the brakes. Sorry.

Its is not fair at all, I totally agree, but thats the way the world works. You think its any different in real life? Somebody sees a news clip about Kaizen management and implements it and gets a promotion rather than someone who didn't see the clip, people who win cases based on the leanings of a judge, and people getting jobs based on who they know...none of thse are fair, but they happen. This will not be the last time that something b.s. happens, it is just the way things work.

It still comes down to, the reason your friend is upset, is because it worked against him. It sucks man, it really does. I feel bad for him. But again, he had every opportunity. Things didn't work out for him. Hopefully he was able to get past it, but if this is the biggest injustice that happens to him, he will have had a great life.

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General Board / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 01:28:01 PM »
Edit: You seem to miss the entire point of the situation affecting his grade and overall rank.  I don't think this is a "oh well, too bad, life is unfair" situation.  Some students had answers, some did not...I think it's unfair.

What I understand is alot of students found the exam just fine. Your friend didn't. Its bad luck. The same thing if you study a topic for hours and it doesn't end up on the exam, and others studied another topic and it ended up on the exam, is it fair your topic didn't end up on the exam? No.

Look, your friend did the same exact thing as them. He studied former exams, if his exam came up on the test would he put in ethical questions? No. It sounds more the reason he is mad is because HE didn't look at the copied exam.

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General Board / Re: Law School Ethical Violation?
« on: August 24, 2010, 01:17:21 PM »
Ahhh...see, I didn't say he didn't do enough, I said he didn't do it as well.

I mean, is it fair, no, its not. But then again, is have a class rank decided by one test per class fair? Is you future school decided on a standardized test with no real law in it fair? Is a person in the admissions office deciding if you have the mental capacity to do law school fair?

Your friend got unlucky, and the others in the class got lucky. Its what it came down to. The ethical problem would come if the professor told the students to look at that exact copy (wink wink sort of thing), yes that would be a major problem. But if they managed to look at the exact test the teacher copied from, then well, thats pretty good luck, and good for them. They guessed right. Sometimes, thats just what life comes down to, guessing right.


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