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Law School Applications / Re: do majors with "honors" matter?
« on: July 03, 2012, 04:16:57 PM »
Is anything worth a decline in GPA?

This is based on general knowledge of how things work when you're sifting through a large number of applicants and also some hearsay from folks who have spoken to admissions folks.

Law schools, especially the good ones, get thousands of applicants.  Their first pass will ALWAYS be based on numbers, alone.  Good numbers can make you an auto-admit at some schools.  They can also make you an auto-reject at any school.  The only question is where those thresholds are.  Also, at the very best schools, they probably don't auto-admit based solely on numbers, but you can bet they auto-reject.

Whether you attended an honors program or whatnot is something that won't really be discovered until/unless you made that first cut.  Also, probably not a factor unless it comes down to you and a couple other nearly-identical students who are all on the bubble.  If you can avoid being on the bubble by having a gpa that's .05 higher, I'd say avoid being on the bubble.

Also, there is no required program of study for pre-law.  You can major in electrical engineering or communications.  I doubt anybody in their right mind thinks that a 4.0 in one is analogous to a 4.0 in the other.  You can get your grades all at the honors college or you can get half your credit hours from the local junior college where anything less than an A means you didn't turn in all your work. 

In the end, that first cut is made on GPA and LSAT, alone.  Anybody who tells you otherwise is delusional.  For the majority of applicants, the ONLY cut is made is GPA and LSAT alone. 

It's a game.  Play it strategically.

Thanks for the insightful post.

So after you make it through the initial grind, what sort of qualities are most sought after?

I know they like everything - internships, ECs, leadership, etc etc. But relatively speaking, what is MOST valued?


oh, and PS, is there a way to get rid of this image verification process when you most something? It seems stupid: I'm not a computer!!!

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Law School Applications / Re: do majors with "honors" matter?
« on: July 03, 2012, 02:10:42 AM »
I don't think anything is worth a decline in GPA.  Take that for what it's worth: anonymous advice from the internet.

Is anything worth a decline in GPA?

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Law School Applications / do majors with "honors" matter?
« on: July 02, 2012, 07:16:56 PM »
For T14 law schools, does it matter if your major is designated as an honors program?

For example, for my major, I could choose history (plain and simple) or history honors.

With History with honors, you have to take special honors classes that teach you more and are HARDER at the same time. So I'm wondering if it's worth the slight decline in GPA?

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Law School Applications / Re: undergraduate GPA
« on: July 10, 2010, 04:28:17 PM »


But I disagree about your view of the admission committees' intentions.  If Yale/Harvard/Stanford wanted to, they could easily fill their class with 4.0 GPAs, and have THAT as their average admitted GPA instead of the 3.9ish that they do have.  That means that somebody with a 4.0 GPA was rejected by YLS so they could admit somebody with a 3.8 GPA instead.  On purpose, because they liked the 3.8 guy better.

The simple fact that the average GPAs at these schools are as low (relatively speaking) as they are is evidence that they all look past the GPA.


So what sort of factors do they consider beyond GPA? Internships? Extracurricular activities?

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Oh Canada! / Re: undergraduate institution
« on: July 09, 2010, 01:53:29 AM »
I really doubt it, but the best person to ask would the admissions office at the law schools you want to apply to. There job is to literally answer questions like this so shoot him an e-mail or give them a call.

thanks for the suggestion. from what I've experienced in my university applications, admissions offices tend to not admit that they have quotas for specific countries even though they do have them anyways. Are law school admissions offices more forthcoming?

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Law School Applications / Re: undergraduate GPA
« on: July 08, 2010, 08:26:25 PM »
I think pretty much everyone in T3 at least are probably summa. As said, this data is widely available.

You don't even have to go to LSN, though that's a good idea.  All schools officially report this data.

could you define what summa would mean for a school that doesn't give out latin honors? top 10%? top 5%?

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Oh Canada! / Re: undergraduate institution
« on: July 08, 2010, 08:20:38 PM »
OK, and just to make sure, law schools won't care whether the applicant is from a Canadian university will they?

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Oh Canada! / Re: undergraduate institution
« on: July 03, 2010, 04:52:51 PM »
thanks for the input guys. but getting back to my original question - would law school see a material difference between the colleges listed above? Would they have a clear preference for one or the other?

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Oh Canada! / undergraduate institution
« on: June 30, 2010, 10:49:48 PM »
If my goal after college is a top 5 US law school, should I choose a Canadian university or an American one? Right now, I have to choose between UofT, UBC, and NYU Stern. Going to a Canadian university will probably inflate my GPA to some degree (especially UBC), and NYU Stern will be the opposite. How much does GPA/undergrad institution matter? Thanks.

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Law School Applications / undergraduate GPA
« on: June 30, 2010, 10:46:19 PM »
How high of a GPA is needed to make an  applicant competitive for a top 5 law school. Thanks.

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