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Law School Applications / Re: another disclosure question
« on: November 04, 2009, 12:20:17 AM »
so here is my situation, hope people here can help. And sorry in advance if this sounds paranoid, just nervous about the whole process.

After filling out my law apps I can honestly say that I have never been convicted of a crime (either felony or misdemeanor). I don't even have any speeding tickets. But there is one incident in my past where a security guard accused me of stealing (I forgot to scan something at the self checkout). Long story short I signed something saying I was stealing and paid a fine to the company to avoid further escalation (ie calling the cops). I never went to court or anything. I'm not worried about disclosure on my law apps, but rather the C&F portion of the bar...I don't know whether they will want this and if it will look bad that I didn't mention it on my law apps.

Does this even make sense? Someone tell me I'm crazy for worrying about it.


You should definitely not talk about this in your applications.  As long as you were not formally reprimanded by the law, you should not talk about it.

Even if a law school application asks you about your character, you are not obligated to talk about this incident whatsoever. 

DO NOT PUT IT IN YOUR APPLICATION.  If you had been legally reprimanded, it would be different.

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Law School Applications / Re: LSAC GPA
« on: November 04, 2009, 12:02:46 AM »
Seriously?  I thought almost all US institutions grade on a 4.0 scale.  I was just confused if an "A" at a school where an "A" is a 4.0 is actually an A+ according to LSAC GPA.

Thanks.

Your question doesn't really make sense.  How can LSAC just assume your A's are A+'s?  If your transcript doesn't specifically say A+, LSAC can't just assume an A+.  By that logic, they could just as easily say your A's were really A-'s.

There is zero doubt that the A's on your transcript will not be considered A+'s by LSAC.  LSAC judges your grades only in that they take whatever is on your transcript and they convert it according to their scale, assuming it's a letter grade and not some weird grading methodology.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Feel good story...
« on: October 29, 2009, 07:19:22 PM »
sweet, good for you!  ;D

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I think I should also add that your profile isn't all that "interesting".  Basically you were sidetracked in college and you're getting your masters.  This is a story the admissions committee of any law school hears all the time.

I don't say this in a mean way..just an FYI.  You still have a good story to tell.

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So I'm a latecomer to this whole lawschool admissions game, I graduated from undergrad in 2005.  I played in a touring band between 2005-07 and in undergrad I was much more focused on music than school, leaving me with a 2.93 GPA that's been haunting me.  I was an environmental science major in undergrad, and after the band broke up I moved back into the environmental field working in the aquarium in my current hometown of Burlington VT for two years.  I did very well there, with 3 promotions and many achievements I'm very proud of, around a year ago I resolved that law school would be my best option for a lifelong career in the environment.  I worked my ass off studying for the LSAT in Feb and I was well rewarded with a 173, so now I'm in the unevniable world of the splitter.  This year I'm at Vermont Law getting a masters degree in environmental law and policy, and hoping to prove that I can compete at a high level academically.  So far its going very well, and I expect to have some rock solid grades from the grad program to outweigh my undergrad a bit.  I'm not very flexible on where I can move to so I'm keeping VT in my back pocket as a backup (I can most likely go for free and the eviro program is killer) and I'm applying to the full spectrum in Boston: HLS, BC, BU, and NUSL.  Harvard would be an absolute dream come true, but even nailing the personal statement and LOR's its a REALLY long shot.  Am I fooling myself, or do I have a pretty strong case at most schools I apply to?

Unless you get a fee waiver from HLS don't even bother applying.  HLS will only take a splitter with exceptional soft factors or someone with URM status.  For example, someone with a sub-par gpa and high lsat who graduated college at 19 and took 7-8 classes every semester and did some incredible research.  Your only chance is as a transfer student.

Your LSAT is solid and you have a good story so I think can get you into some schools in the top 14, minus HYS.

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Law School Applications / Re: Most overrated T14?
« on: October 27, 2009, 12:13:26 AM »
So... you're saying that a Yale student is twice as likely to get SCOTUS as a Harvard student.  I'm not sure why we're arguing.  Harvard: where you're half as likely to get SCOTUS as Yale.

I'll bite on this one.  I've already said, validly, that for clerkships they go deeper into the YLS class because the size of yls is so small.  Again, this is not difficult to understand.  

Furthermore, you cast the top 5% to 10% disparity in a negative light in YLS' favor.  Top 5% at HLS is far more difficult than top 10% at yls will ever be, and therefore the top 5% at HLS are  more distinguished.  In addition top 5% at HLS still produces a greater number of clerkships in absolute terms than top 10% at yls.  Hence, upon graduation, at HLS you'll be joining a larger alumni base of grads who received SCOTUS clerkships.  Don't underestimate representation.

I hold a high degree of respect for YLS and rightfully so based on its placement, but it is really not any better than HLS.


lol.

You can laugh all you want.  HLS and YLS are unequivocal equals.  People who think otherwise are really just stroking their elitist egos.  There are always arguments that could go in favor of either school.

And I think you are seriously biased since you go to YLS, just FYI.

And FYI I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that HLS magna bests YLS any day.  But of course that's only about 55+ grads a year.

I just think it is funny, man. I don't really care which one is better. I don't care if they are equals. I have some close friends that go to YLS and some close friends at HLS. Every one of them is going to be successful. They would've been successful had they gone somewhere else, man. The thing that makes YLS and HLS great is the caliber of students. The number of books in the library, the number of clerks, the number of profs, the number of clinics - those are just details.

It isn't the schools that produce the clerks or kids bright enough to get V5 jobs. It is that students who are bright enough to begin with who select Harvard or Yale. Sure, having a H on a resume is going to open a lot of doors. Having Y on the resume is going to open a lot of doors. It only opens those doors because the name of the school says something about the student. It allows employers or judges to generalize pretty accurately about the strength or quality of the applicant.

Of course, in this narrow way, Yale is better than Harvard. The assumption is that if you got into Yale, you also got into Harvard. And for whatever reason, the perception exists that a kid at YLS is a slightly stronger student (at least ex ante) than at HLS. The perception probably exists as a result of Yale's ultra selective admissions.

But it is worth noting that almost every person that got into Yale also got into Harvard. It is also worth noting that almost all the individuals who get into both choose Yale. These aren't dumb people. They are choosing Yale because the perception in the legal community is that Yale is better. As a result of this perception, the opportunities and jobs come slightly easier to a kid at Yale than to a kid at Harvard.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Harvard as a legal institution is worse than Yale. In fact, as "schools" they are equal. It is just at one, the opportunities for graduates are more bountiful and easier to come by. Among schools that are "equals," that is the tie-breaker.

You can argue about clerk-placement and raw numbers v. per capita, but I think that the better test is just seeing which school people admitted to both choose. For bright kids to reject the natural "Harvard" allure, YLS must be a pretty special place.  ;)

I like the tone of your post a bit more and YLS really is a special place.

Law is a seriously over-elitist profession.  It's not that I think the people that place YLS on a pedestal are stupid; it's just that they are a little delusional when they compare hls and yls.  I don't think people choose yls only because they think yls is better; there are other factors too - no grades, smaller, new haven (kidding).  Others may choose hls for the opposite reasons - perhaps they want the chance to compete for the magna status or perhaps they want to be part of a larger school that has a larger alumni base.  Look, yls is more selective, but to an extent that is really moot.  Are there a lot of hls folks who didn't get to yls?  Yes, but that's because yls is a tiny school, not necessarily because it's actually more selective.  Selectivity to me refers to caliber of students admitted.  Look at HBS - it enrolls a whopping 900+ students a year.  It does so to ensure a large presence in the real world and it has paid off.  HLS has a similar mentality, but at the cost of taking a very, very slight hit in its gpa/lsat ranges relative to yls.  Obviously, yls is serious competition.

It is a bit easier for yls students to get the top jobs, that's no secret.  But is it enough of a reason, standing alone, to pick yls?  I personally don't think so when there are so many other factors.

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Law School Applications / Re: Most overrated T14?
« on: October 26, 2009, 10:18:35 PM »
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Law School Applications / Re: Most overrated T14?
« on: October 26, 2009, 10:16:21 PM »
So... you're saying that a Yale student is twice as likely to get SCOTUS as a Harvard student.  I'm not sure why we're arguing.  Harvard: where you're half as likely to get SCOTUS as Yale.

I'll bite on this one.  I've already said, validly, that for clerkships they go deeper into the YLS class because the size of yls is so small.  Again, this is not difficult to understand.  

Furthermore, you cast the top 5% to 10% disparity in a negative light in YLS' favor.  Top 5% at HLS is far more difficult than top 10% at yls will ever be, and therefore the top 5% at HLS are  more distinguished.  In addition top 5% at HLS still produces a greater number of clerkships in absolute terms than top 10% at yls.  Hence, upon graduation, at HLS you'll be joining a larger alumni base of grads who received SCOTUS clerkships.  Don't underestimate representation.

I hold a high degree of respect for YLS and rightfully so based on its placement, but it is really not any better than HLS.


lol.

You can laugh all you want.  HLS and YLS are unequivocal equals.  People who think otherwise are really just stroking their elitist egos.  There are always arguments that could go in favor of either school.

And I think you are seriously biased since you go to YLS, just FYI.

And FYI I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that HLS magna bests YLS any day.  But of course that's only about 55+ grads a year.

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Law School Applications / Re: Most overrated T14?
« on: October 25, 2009, 04:34:55 PM »
So... you're saying that a Yale student is twice as likely to get SCOTUS as a Harvard student.  I'm not sure why we're arguing.  Harvard: where you're half as likely to get SCOTUS as Yale.

I'll bite on this one.  I've already said, validly, that for clerkships they go deeper into the YLS class because the size of yls is so small.  Again, this is not difficult to understand.  

Furthermore, you cast the top 5% to 10% disparity in a negative light in YLS' favor.  Top 5% at HLS is far more difficult than top 10% at yls will ever be, and therefore the top 5% at HLS are  more distinguished.  In addition top 5% at HLS still produces a greater number of clerkships in absolute terms than top 10% at yls.  Hence, upon graduation, at HLS you'll be joining a larger alumni base of grads who received SCOTUS clerkships.  Don't underestimate representation.

I hold a high degree of respect for YLS and rightfully so based on its placement, but it is really not any better than HLS.

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Law School Applications / Re: Most overrated T14?
« on: October 25, 2009, 04:15:27 PM »
I am so sorry about your awful childhood years.

I love & miss you.  When you're around, I don't have to 'rassle with 0Ls to amuse myself.

I wish there were more 0Ls on this site to harass.

2L year still good?

The 2Ls here seem to go out a lot.  I can't wait.

Yeah, things are okay out here.  Less stress = more going out, but there's more work all in all.  Enjoying it mostly.  Helps that I've been lucky so far.

I hear you're not too miserable?  About to get out of here, but drop a PM my way.  I need to hear about everything.  Extra points if you have a story about queensizebedpwning Dischord, or anyone else generally.  And on old references: know a guy whom you once bought a shot of H Club.  Have I told you this?


hahaha your attempt to personalize this is hilarious - why don't you drop this in a PM...to YOURSELF.  You're as pitiful as Brett Favre's last interception that cost Minnesota the game

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