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Taft and others have a proven track record.  Don't go with a DL school that has no attorney alumni.  You can verify their claims by checking the Cal Bar pass rates.  And if you do not want to travel to California to take the exams, this is not for you.  Finally do you have the time - figure 20 hours a week minimum for the next 4 or 5 years.  DL success is time intensive because it depends on rote memory and essays.   If you are outside California, you will be limited to federal practice - Immigration, Tax, Veterans Disability, Social Security and a few other esoteric fields.  Insurance is a good background for Social Security Disability, Veterans Disability.  The latter two fields have training and seminars available through professional orgs like NOSSCR.

TJS is giving the impression falsely that its LLM is accredited by the ABA.  In fact the ABA's only interest is that the non JD program do not have an adverse impact on the JD program:

"The ABA reviews these degree programs only to determine whether their offering would have an adverse impact on the law school's ability to maintain its accreditation for the JD program. If no adverse impact is indicated, the ABA "acquiesces" in the law school's decision to offer the non-JD program and degree."

FYI - ABA only accredits law schools.  All Masters in Legal Studies (MLS) and EJDs if accredited would be regionally accredited.  A lot of LLMs like those in Tax would be geared towards attorneys.  I'm not a fan of non attorney JDs. It is like going to medical school and not becoming a doctor.  It also creates a problem because people will assume you are an attorney and can create inadvertent UPL issues.

I would opt for a non bar track degree as you will save 1-2 years of school versus 4 for the JD.

In my book regional accreditation would be key.  Concord offers an accredited EJD and Small Business LLM:

Another option is an accredited MLS - Masters in Legal Studies like this one:

Most distance learning law schools are not regionally accredited, at best they are just registered with the California Bar.

Depends on the state, I can also use it for professional CLE for one of my employers.  I started the course, interesting enough, seems to be UK law.

Better than wasting money on NOVUS and given it is an Irish certificate one can claim some facility with common and EU law.  All in all, might be worth it for anyone with a little time. Might consideer it myself as a CLE.

Free online diploma in Legal Studies:

It is a Catch 22 - online schools as such cannot provide the infrastructure or staffing to meet ABA requirements; they also attract a lot of students who are either lacking skills or commitment to make distance learning work. Distance learning may work for the highly motivated student or someone already working in the courts or law but for the average student the outcome is doubtful.  However, with continuing improvement in technology; I think DL will eventually occupy the field.  But the ABA and state bars are ruled by dinosaurs - the bricks and mortar law firm will be endangered long before they ever get around to tinkering seriously with law schools.  Case in point - 50+ separate bars in the USA in an increasingly digitized and standardized world. ULP laws are so confusing many attorneys just ignore them.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: December 31, 2014, 09:19:24 AM »
Illegal to use? I think you mean Novus is on the list of diploma mills however obviously that is not criminal or they would be prosecuted since they are not hard to find.
It varies by state. And it is what it is.
I'll post a link as an example. Don't presume, its a dangerous thing.

Institutions Whose Degrees are Illegal to Use in Texas

Consonant with its responsibilities under Chapter 61 of the Texas Education Code and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board annually reviews the institutions included on this list.

"Fraudulent or substandard degree" means a degree conferred in Texas in violation of the Texas Education Code; conferred in another state in violation of that state's laws; conferred in another state by an institution that was not accredited by an accreditor recognized by the Coordinating Board and that has not been approved by the Coordinating Board for its degrees to be used in Texas; or conferred outside the United States by an institution that the Coordinating Board determines is not the equivalent of an accredited or authorized degree. (Texas Educational Code, Chapter 61, Section 61.302)

The Texas Penal Code (Section 32.52) prohibits the use of fraudulent or substandard degrees "in a written or oral advertisement or other promotion of a business; or with the intent to: obtain employment; obtain a license or certificate to practice a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain a promotion, a compensation or other benefit, or an increase in compensation or other benefit, in employment or in the practice of a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain admission to an educational program in this state; or gain a position in government with authority over another person, regardless of whether the actor receives compensation for the position." Violation of this law is a Class B misdemeanor.

Wow, great catch.  Someone should drop Texas a line on Novus Law School.  It already has Novus University on sh_t list.

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