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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 166, 4.0 -- Chances
« on: June 30, 2009, 12:39:11 PM »
I'd also throw in an app to Boalt (they love GPAs) even though the LSAT makes it a longshot.

Boalt is a waste of money with these stats unless you are a CA resident, and then you only barely stand a chance.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 166, 4.0 -- Chances
« on: June 30, 2009, 12:37:39 PM »
I had the same stats and made it into UVA.

If you can't get into UVA or Cornell, I think you would be a shoe-in at Vanderbilt, which is on par with both of those schools.

I'm getting my Master's because I don't want to get a real job, and didn't feel like buckling down and trying my hardest to get a high LSAT. 

Ok, I didn't read this first. At least you're honest. However, getting a real job is in your best interests now. College is done. Don't be one of those people who refuse to move on with their lives, or worse yet, one of those who treat law school like college part 2.

OP, I recommend that you attempt to find employment rather than undertaking the MS in English. The MS in English is a waste of time and money, and you certainly don't need it for law school, nor will it help you to get admitted, nor will it help you in employment prospects. The only thing it will do is let you stay in college for another year, which I suppose isn't a terrible thing (as long as you aren't paying the bills). Industry work experience will benefit you in many more relevant ways, however. The best thing you can do now is spend a few months with Kaplan's LSAT 180 and practice tests until you can get your score 15 points higher.

Current Law Students / Re: I'm so glad I didn't go to law school
« on: February 19, 2007, 04:45:03 PM »
Well, if you crashed under the pressure of the LSAT, I think it is pretty safe to say you had no chance of getting into law school in the first place.  

In fact, your post itself gives some indication that you are still holding a little animosity about not having the ability required to go to law school.  Why else would you get on here a year later, just to tell everyone how glad you are that you didn't go.

I'm sure everyone else is glad you didn't go to law school too.  The last thing any of us want, is more incompetent people giving attorneys a bad name.

Disney sounds like a good place for you.  You obviously lack the maturity needed for a career in law.

Or you could be me, who actually got into a top 10, but decided not to go because I got sick of talking to suicidal lawyers and listen to everyone complain about how much they hated their lives. As hard as I looked, for an entire year, I could not find a light at the end of the tunnel. Every last aspect about legal practice and legal education revolves around compensation being the end all. I was sickened. Sorry.

Current Law Students / Engineers who went to law school...
« on: June 22, 2006, 07:28:43 AM »
Are you glad you did it (or are doing it)? Do you have any regrets? What made you jump ship from your EE/ChemE/ME degree - IP law? Did you go into law school wanting to do IP law but ended up doing something else?

I'm a recent EE graduate and got into a top program, but am having serious second thoughts about becoming a lawyer. Lawyers seem so dismal about their careers and choice to go to law school and I am worried if I am making a big mistake. I got interested in it because I was told of the wonderful job prospects for EEs in patent law and because the law school I got into looked like such a fun place to be and study. But I have a good life and promising career as an engineer - make 60k/year now with no debt load and have the grades to go into any sort of graduate program I want. I would be giving up a lot, and I want to make sure that I will be happy. A lot of people on this board and lawyers that I've talked to seem far unhappier than even the most unhappy engineers I know.

Basically, I know I would like to study law because it would make me more intelligent and well-rounded academically, but I really don't know if I want to be a lawyer forever (plus I really don't want to work in a big city, which is where all the IP jobs seem to be that pay enough to cover loans). Maybe I should defer for a year and think about it or reapply. Or, if you engineers are really loving what you're doing now - I'd love to hear about it.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Why Biglaw?
« on: February 20, 2007, 10:45:21 AM »

Well, a "sweatshop" as long as it will lead to good career options down the line.  I'll be 24/25 when I start working at a big firm.  I'll probably have the time and energy to dedicate myself to a job. 

Good idea. Throw away what's left of your youth. An attitude like that is a recipe for a midlife suicide.

You think working in a big firm leads to good career options? Consider the fact that you will never see a courtroom or interact directly with a client as a young associate at a big firm (When corporations are your clients paying $500/hr, they don't want to deal with associates). Your legal experience will most likely be paralegal stuff. I don't see how you can get another job coming out of a big firm because you basically have no experience as a lawyer. Stepping down into a lower-paying job for a lifestyle change is pretty much out of the question. The J.D. on your resume pretty much excludes you getting a non-legal job (big red flag to employeers when someone with a J.D. is trying to get an unrelated job). The exit-ops you talk about are few and far between. You could get a government or corporate job, maybe. You could go into private practice. You could teach high school, maybe. If your family has money, you could go into politics. Beyond that, good luck.

And don't just assume that you can stay on at big firms for as long as you like. They are cutthroat, and many, many people you start with will be asked to or forced to leave within 1-2 years. They don't need 5th year associates hanging around when they can get a 1st year to work longer and harder for less money. Chances of making partner are usually anywhere between 1-10%.

I have never, ever even once, met anybody that said they love their big firm job. Don't sell yourself out.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Why Biglaw?
« on: February 19, 2007, 04:59:28 PM »
A friend said BigLaw requires Mon-Fri 9a-9p shifts and 9-7p weekend shifts for a total of 80-100 hours per week.

Is the money truly worth it?

Why do people go into BigLaw?

The answers are 'no' and 'for money.' For no other reason than a very high starting salary would someone subject themselves to work like that (to pay back loans isn't really an answer because if you were able to get a big firm job, then you were able to go to a lower ranked school with a good scholarship, but you wanted to go to the higher ranked school so you could get the big firm job and make six figures, right???). Medical residents work 80 hrs. week for $45k/year, but they do it because they love medicine. How many people can say they love checking legal papers for 12 hours straight every day? It's the ultimate definition of sell out. You've sold yourself to the partners. They make money (lots of it) off your work for doing nothing. Something about that strikes me as wrong. I turned down my ivy league acceptance and stuck with my $50k/year 40hr./wk engineering job. I could have been making $200k in 5 years. Worth it? No way. Without freedom, you are not alive.

Law School Admissions / Re: Boalt: GPA weighted more heavily. Myth?
« on: January 17, 2007, 06:35:11 AM »
Myth. I had a 4.0 GPA in engineering and a 166 on the LSAT and was flat out rejected. They rejected me from undergrad with a 1470 SAT too. If you're not from California, forget about it.


if you're really, really efficient, you can bill 9-10 hours per day. but the reality is, there is going to be tons of stuff that you'll be doing that you won't bill for. yale as a really good breakdown of the billable hour. you can find it here:

Extremely unlikely. If you're doing that every day, you're padding or working 16 hour days.

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