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Get a real LSAT 1st, and then we can talk. Most people score several points below their practice test scores. While you may be the exception, on average, you are not.

Plus, regardless of law school acceptance, you might have an issue with the bar. Again, one thing at a time. Take the LSAT, get a real score, then we can figure it out.

Point well taken. I'm hearing that from a lot of people now about a performance drop on the real thing.

In terms of the bar, I need to research this. What I am hoping is that being 11 years removed from any transgression will help me to make a good case.

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I appreciate the comments so thanks everyone. It seems the only thing to do is give the LSAT everything I have and see what happens. The comments about people scoring a lot higher in practice vs. the real thing has me a little nervous though. I did right about as I expected on the GMAT so I hope I can do the same thing on the LSAT.

Nothing I can do about the arrests at this point... it's good to read people's comments/reactions though because it helps me think about what I need to do to address them. If I can get into school, then when it comes time for the bar I'll be 11 years removed from any transgressions which is a fairly significant period of time, I think.

This is a great forum by the way.  8) I look forward to participating here as I go through this process.

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One of the smartest people I know is applying this cycle with a 2.0, in fact he's probably reading this now  ;)

Anyway, schools are very numbers centric and it will be very difficult to overcome your GPA even with a stellar addendum. Your MBA GPA will help show that you are now a good student now, plus you should be able to get some good LORs, but unfortunately this means very little compared to hard numbers.

Applying to 30 schools is a fantastic idea. It's impossible to predict where you will get in because you are such an unusual applicant. If I had to guess I would say somewhere in the 40s or 50s. However, if an adcomm would like past your UGPA you would be competitive at nearly any T14 school. My advice would be to focus on the LSAT right now, plenty of people test in the 170s and don't make it on the real thing. In fact conventional wisdom is that you nearly always see a bit of a drop on the real thing, so make sure you are 100% prepared in May. Good luck!

Wow, good to know there's another sub-2.1 out there :)

A 40-50 program is an outcome I would feel pretty good about... thanks for the input and advice.

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"Just because you're 30 doesn't mean you're above the traditional 23 year olds."



Definitely not. I'm just hoping to get an opportunity somewhere, and I don't really have a sense of where that could potentially be.

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Non-Traditional Students / 2.01 UGPA, 3.9 MBA, 170 LSAT, 30 Years Old
« on: April 12, 2009, 10:23:39 PM »
Profile: 2.01 UGPA, 3.9 MBA, 170 LSAT, 30 Years Old (ECON major at top 15 undergrad business program, FIN/ECON at a very good but not great MBA program). Also I haven't taken the LSAT yet but have been getting 170-175 on the actual exams.

Professional: Worked with three companies and been promoted with each one: successful in roles trading securities/options, as a financial analyst, and VP Finance at an early stage internet/technology company. Plan to attain CPA designation before admission to law school.

Arrest Record: 2 DUIs, 1 misdemeanor possession of marijuana. No arrests in last 7 years.

Obviously I didn't get off on the right foot in college and my early twenties, and will have to craft my personal statement to reflect that. I really want to study corporate/securities law, and to a lesser extent international law, and get the J.D. Does anyone have any advice about what schools I should target (either a range based on ranking/selectivity, or specific schools where non-traditional applicants tend to fair well)?

My plan as of now is to apply to a ton of schools, maybe 30, simply because I have no idea where I fit in due to the extremity of my undergrad GPA and my arrest record.

So where can I get in? any thoughts? any non-traditionals that can share some advice for me?

THANKS - DAVE   

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O Gosh, I've already messed up - I should have posted this in non-traditional forum. Sorry, a mod can delete this.

And yes, I'm serious about the 2.01. That includes and 1.4 and 0.0 my first two semesters freshman year.

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Profile: 2.01 UGPA, 3.9 MBA, 170 LSAT, 30 Years Old (ECON major at top 15 undergrad business program, FIN/ECON at a very good but not great MBA program). Also I haven't taken the LSAT yet but have been getting 170-175 on the actual exams.

Professional: Worked with three companies and been promoted with each one: successful in roles trading securities/options, as a financial analyst, and VP Finance at an early stage internet/technology company. Plan to attain CPA designation before admission to law school.

Arrest Record: 2 DUIs, 1 misdemeanor possession of marijuana. No arrests in last 7 years.

Obviously I didn't get off on the right foot in college and my early twenties, and will have to craft my personal statement to reflect that. I really want to study corporate/securities law, and to a lesser extent international law, and get the J.D. Does anyone have any advice about what schools I should target (either a range based on ranking/selectivity, or specific schools where non-traditional applicants tend to fair well)?

My plan as of now is to apply to a ton of schools, maybe 30, simply because I have no idea where I fit in due to the extremity of my undergrad GPA and my arrest record.

So where can I get in? any thoughts? any other non-traditionals that can share some advice?

THANKS - DAVE     

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