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ISUCKATTHIS, I am numbering the specific accusations in your last post and addressing them below --

I would have far more respect for you if you would just own up to your own tacitcs.  This whole bit about how [1] "I'm just saying you're dim, but I'm not insulting you" and [2] "All I did was report him to the moderator and complain about his posting... how would I know doing this would again lead to somebody being banned?" and, finally, [3] "Every time I'm bested in an argument, I have to retreat to my friends and recruit their help... but isn't that what everybody does?"

It just doesn't fly.  Say what you want, do what you want.  Just don't lie about it. 

1. I don't recall ever saying that you were dim.  I apologized because you said that I had done so.  I withdrew my apology because, after weeks of your unwarranted hostility, and especially following your post last night, I didn't and don't feel kindly enough toward you to apologize anymore, especially for something I don't believe I did. 

2. There are plenty of levels of moderation other than banning.  Indeed, as I explained earlier (and as Sands can confirm if he is still reading this), I specifically suggested that the appropriate moderation, if any, would be admonishing PILOFOLO in the same way he admonished comotellamas in this thread.  I also provided a direct quotation from my PM to Sands for you to read.   

3. When I complain about posters or threads in SFLSD, it is a way of letting off steam or having a side conversation with my friends about what is happening on the board, especially if I know it's something we'll all think is funny or aggravating.  I am not enlisting their assistance -- which I frankly don't believe I need.  Furthermore, I am always happy to learn something from other posters, which I do when they make compelling arguments I haven't considered, and I consider losing an argument an opportunity to educate myself about the process of debate or about a given subject.  Whether for better or worse, our (substantive) argument in the Drake exams thread ended prematurely because you decided that we should agree to disagree.  That's fine.  But to the extent I griped to my friends about how gobsmacking the thread was, it surely wasn't because I wanted their help.  In fact, in this case, I hoped they would remind me not to return since it was an exercise in futility.

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Finally, attacking someone's character and motives or accusing someone of lying is an insult, just as calling someone a name or labeling him with some kind of negative adjective is.  In the context of our exchanges, I would argue that your insults toward me (some of which are above) are much more demeaning than mine toward you ("prickly," "rude"), because of their content, repetition, level of detail, and baselessness.  This is probably obvious to most people, but since you have said a number of times that you don't resort to insults, I thought it was worth mentioning.

Thanks for the chuckle.

You called me "dim," "culturally illiterate" and "prickly."  Honestly, it's cool.. don't worry about it and please stop lying about it.  It's not that big of a deal and I only mention it because you're so amazingly judgmental of others and have them banned if they dare to disagree with you. 

Look, I understand that it is frustrating when you run out of ideas.  Sometimes you say things you ought not to say out of that frustration.  Even if you do it way more than most, the truth is that we all do it.  Just own it, deal with it and move on.  I'm not going to report you to the moderator or anything.

On an unrelated note, you had at least one poster ejected because he didn't agree with you.  I suspect there is at least one more, though I could be wrong.  In any event, I'm simply not going to approve of this... regardless of how many alternative explanations you may provide.  If you're happy with the decision and you think it was the right thing to do, you do not need my approval.  Quit obsessing about it.  It's not healthy.

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Within constitutional limits, private communities are allowed to exclude whomever they like on whatever basis they see fit.  PILOFOLO_REGIL isn't entitled to any "due process" here.  If Burning Sands and posters like Miss P decide that his perspectives, views, cultural background, etc. are not to be tolerated then they have the right to stifle his voice.  They control the site.  That's just the way it works.

Whether the rest of us like it or not, we have no rights or entitlement here.  Other people own this site and control who gets to post and what is said.  If you don't like it, you have the option to start your own website.  Otherwise, you'd better make sure that you posts are not in conflict with the perspectives and opinions of those in control.


Couldn't disagree more.

Earl Cat and I are not the "perspectives and opinions" police.  In fact we advocate free speech here as much as possible. We do, however, have the unenviable task of keeping the peace and making sure the convo keeps flowing for the board, which may require booting a few disruptive outliers here or there.  That's about as deep as it goes, folks.


I can't speak for my colleague Earl Cat but if you guys really have some substantive suggestions on how or when we should ban posters I'm sure that we'd both be glad to hear it.  In fact I'll even set up a thread on the Meta Discussion Board for it.




Sounds great.  Please re-post the offending posts of PILOFOLO_REGIL that were so disruptive of the peace... just so the rest of us can better understand your standards.

Thanks in advance!

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I would have far more respect for you if you would just own up to your own tacitcs.  This whole bit about how "I'm just saying you're dim, but I'm not insulting you"  and "All I did was report him to the moderator and complain about his posting... how would I know doing this would again lead to somebody being banned?" and, finally, "Every time I'm bested in an argument, I have to retreat to my friends and recruit their help... but isn't that what everybody does?"

It just doesn't fly.  Say what you want, do what you want.  Just don't lie about it. 

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There you go again.

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"I did not try to have PILOFOLO, or any other poster, banned."

Yeah, except that you did exactly that. 

Listen, I'm not judging or anything.  All I'm saying is that I'd rather support my position than to resort to spewing insults, complaining to virtual friends and getting people banned when they don't agree with me.

Live and let live.  That's cool, the above is just your way... but I would respect you more if you were honest about it.

People disagree with me all the time.  I can let it go.  I don't have to insult them, I don't have to enlist friends of mine to insult them and I don't have to conspire to get them banned from the site. That's all I'm saying:  that these are not tactics I see fit to use.  That you resort to them routinely is your own business.  But I certainly don't have to approve. 

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Nothing, yet.  I mean, except to say I had no "standing" to disagree with her because I haven't demonstrated that I have the approval of the powers that be on this board.  I think that's kind of lame.

Also, despite my acknowledgment of how these discussion boards work (i.e., that our presence here is at the whim of those who control them), I think it's pretty lame to get a fellow poster banned because you don't like what he has to say.  I disagree with many people here and I have been insulted by more than a few of them.  Miss P, for example, has called me "dim," "culturally illiterate" and "prickly" just because I disagreed with her take on some issue or another.  Still, I have not and will not complain about her or any one else because I don't think it's the right thing to do.  That and my self esteem is robust enough to weather insults and not to take personal offense when someone disagrees with me. Not enough to try and get their voices permenantly silenced, anyway.

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I don't think Burning Sands will bother to read this thread until Miss P complains about one of us.  So go ahead, Miss P.  Bring it on.

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Sorry, I didn't meant that to come off as patronizing.  I didn't think you meant actual due process. I understood what you were saying to mean that people shouldn't be banned without some kind of reasonable assessment regarding their behavior and (possibly, although you didn't actually say this) that there should be some kind of public accountability.

I completely agree that you have the right idea.  I don't mean to speak out against diversity of opinion or for censoring unpopular viewpoints.  I believe diversity of opinion is absolutely necessary and censorship is morally reprehensible in a general sense. 

I was just trying to say that I don't think ordinary notions of fairness apply here. People like Burning Sands et al run the site.  They get to decide who gets to post and what they get to say.  I don't know if they actually own the site, but they have that authority.  If they chose not to allow open discourse and/or to eliminate people with particular views, perspectives and backgrounds... it's their choice to make.  Nobody ever said this was a democracy or that all views and perspectives were welcome.

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Matthies gives great advice.  In this job environment, at least at my firm, grades neither make nor break you.  Hiring partners are looking for people who can make the firm money, full stop.  Contacts help, so too does experience. 

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Within constitutional limits, private communities are allowed to exclude whomever they like on whatever basis they see fit.  PILOFOLO_REGIL isn't entitled to any "due process" here.  If Burning Sands and posters like Miss P decide that his perspectives, views, cultural background, etc. are not to be tolerated then they have the right to stifle his voice.  They control the site.  That's just the way it works.

Whether the rest of us like it or not, we have no rights or entitlement here.  Other people own this site and control who gets to post and what is said.  If you don't like it, you have the option to start your own website.  Otherwise, you'd better make sure that you posts are not in conflict with the perspectives and opinions of those in control.

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