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2L job search / Re: Grades Needed For Market Pay From Michigan???
« on: December 15, 2008, 03:08:32 PM »
That's a good question (for Mich and similarly ranked schools)

And how far below market could one of these grads really get (i.e. 60k?)?

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General Off-Topic Board / Is there any tactful way to say this?
« on: December 15, 2008, 02:07:50 PM »
A really good friend is about to quit her job and invest her life savings into pursuing her dream of being a singer.  Problem is...her singing voice is not good, like at all.  The thing is, this is really her passion and I've supported her all these years because I figured it's a hobby that would eventually die down, especially because she's nearing 29.  But the exact opposite has happened, because she's getting older she feels like this is her last opportunity.  I honestly don't think she can make it as an entertainer (love her to death but being honest) and I don't want her to spend the 10k she's about to spend recording an album/making a video/marketing herself and I especially don't want to leave the good job that she has.  She'd be DEVASTATED if I told her how I really feel, as I'm really the only support that she has.  So what should I do?

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First I would advise you not to say anything regarding the specifics here, and certainly do not admit anything.  You don't know who reads these things.  IP addresses are traceable after the fact (records of the addresses and the postings are kept, even after they are deleted).  My questions below are rhetorical, I wouldn't respond to them here.

Are you committed to the agreement?  What are the advantages of taking it?

If I were you, I'd want to fight it.  The way you describe it, it sounds like a misunderstanding or that, at the very least, you could argue it that way.

What exactly did the dean tell you?  Did they threaten to expell you if you don't take the agreement?

Also, I would get a real lawyer's opinion about this.  This is not a small deal.  You're talking about something that will seriously affect your career, any way you look at it.  You don't want to make the wrong decision.  I certainly wouldn't take the agreement until I've talked with a lawyer.


Well I actually haven't negotiated the terms of the agreement yet, the Dean was just pushing me in that direction (she was actually talking to as if I was f'in guilty which was irritating as hell).  She did say that watever the terms were, there would automatically be a note of the incident (of me "taking responsibility") in my perm record that would be sent to the bar.  And I technically already made an "admission" to the Dean, I just told her the truth. I told her that I didn't do anything intentional and that I didn't cheat whatsoever.  I didn't want to go in there "lawyering" her and asking if what I said would be used at the hearing, b/c I honestly thought she wouldn't even go forward with the charge once she heard what happened.

I'm just nervous about how fair these proceedings will be

I will def contact an attorney...

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He seems too earnest to be flame.  Well, back to my practice exam so I don't end up like him.

lol, funniest post on this thread

Don't encourage him.

was seriously funny tho...

just to add my two cent, I think everyone, or at least I would feel much more for the OP if his search wasn't taking so long.  I mean a year?? Just can't see it taking that long, even in this economy, to find decent legal work if he were really putting in the leg work

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He seems too earnest to be flame.  Well, back to my practice exam so I don't end up like him.

lol, funniest post on this thread

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There are lawyers who specialize in this type of representation.  You could contact one before getting in too deep with your school's adjudication procedures.

Don't think I can bring in outside counsel, they provide a student defender. Grrrr! Whole process is irritating as hell...

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I posted this on the grad board, hoping to get more response here...

So here's the situation- I got accused of violating my schools code of conduct.  Someone accused me of reviewing notes  in between sessions of my closed book exam (which is bullsh!t, was completely inadvertent, had a few outlines open when I opened my laptop and it was on my screen for a few mins before I opened the exam software, but I absolutely did NOT read the notes, I had no reason to cheat on the exam).  At any rate, I've been charged with violating the code and have to go through pretty much a trial process.  I really want to defend myself but after talking to the Dean I highly suspect that the process is not like a crim trial (ie no "innocent til proven guilty) and she's stongly recommending to come to some type of negotiated agreement. The problem with the agreement (outside of possibly receiving an F in a class that I studied my a$$ off for) is that there will be a note of the incident and agreement on my perm record and will be sent to every bar committee that I try to sit for the exam.  I feel angry/cheated/scared etc...I'm thinking that I'll never be able to sit for any bar exam once they see the note, I'll 4ever look like a cheater.  Anyone have any experience with something similar or have any insite?

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So here's the situation- I got accused of violating my schools code of conduct.  Someone accused me of viewing notes between sessions of my closed book exam (which is bullsh!t, was completely inadvertent, had a few outlines open when I opened my laptop and it was on my screen for a few mins before I opened the exam software, but I absolutely did NOT read the notes, I had no reason to cheat on the exam).  At any rate, I've been charged with violating the code and have to go through pretty much a trial process.  I really want to defend myself but after talking to the Dean I highly suspect that the process is not like a crim trial (ie no "innocent til proven guilty) and she's stongly recommending to come to some type of negotiated agreement. The problem with the agreement (outside of possibly receiving an F in a class that I studied my a$$ off for) is that there will be a note of the incident and agreement on my perm record and will be sent to every bar committee that I try to sit for the exam.  I feel angry/cheated/scared etc...I'm thinking that I'll never be able to sit for any bar exam once they see the note, I'll 4ever look like a cheater.  Anyone have any experience with something similar or have any insite?

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I've been trying to find old Employment Discrimination exams and came across a gold mine but...I don't have access!  If someone out there with access to the UChicago site could just download and email a couple of the exams and sample answers I'd be forever indebted.  I've attached the link below, and you can just PM me for my email address.  Thanks so much!

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/law/courses/exams/employmentdisc.html

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2L job search / Re: Too late for Biglaw?
« on: September 19, 2008, 09:57:06 AM »
Does it matter what market I'm in (Atlanta btw)... I think I remember hearing somewhere that Atl is a secondary market and I assumed I'd do decent there

Not too familiar with Am200...how're the hours/pay etc?

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