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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: January 11, 2010, 07:04:49 PM »
still in the same position.....

i had an interview with a firm i loved in november. i got a call back. i loved the firm more after the call back. it's been almost 6 weeks now since the interview...i called last week to say i was still interested and was told they still haven't made a decision.  :(

had another interview a couple of weeks ago where the partner looked at everything on my resume and said it was boring (including law review). i didn't get that job, can't say i was all that upset though.

i had another interview today. i guess it went okay. i'm hoping i get it, but i've lost all hope at this point.

i am too in a position where, my husband makes enough for us to get by, but things are getting tight. i feel like such a loser.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: JD or PhD in Biology
« on: December 14, 2009, 06:35:05 PM »
As someone who dropped out of a Biology PhD program to get a law degree, the Bio program was 100000 times worse than law school. The people were competitive (no one ever stole all my notes in law school, but they did in the PhD program), and the professors failed to accept anyone who was "normal" (i.e. a person who didn't spend 24 hours a day in a lab and had a boyfriend or girlfriend).

The economy sucks for lawyers right now, but when things are normal, if you are looking to reside in a certain location, it's much easier to find decent law jobs. Decent science jobs, you have to move around for. After the PhD, you need to do at least two post docs to land a decent "real job." Have fun being in school and making 40k until you are in your mid-thirties (or older).

The PhD program put much more of an emphasis on "facetime" (one time a professor scolded a fellow student for leaving in the middle of the day to see her dying father in the hospital) than any law firm I have heard of

But I will warn you, if you truly want to do anything like patent law, a PhD and JD is ideal. I have a masters in Biology and I never had any luck in the IP field.

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Law Firms / Re: undergrad - does it factor in at all?
« on: November 17, 2009, 04:53:38 PM »
Yes, I should have phrased it as "no it doesn't help if you go to an Ivy." Sorry.

It has never impressed anyone.

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Law Firms / Re: undergrad - does it factor in at all?
« on: November 17, 2009, 02:46:16 PM »
No, it doesn't matter at all.

I also went to an Ivy. I always got the question "How did you like college?" and the people I knew who did not go to Ivy schools never got that question.

I know 2 other people who went to the same Ivy as me, both people always got that question on interviews. We were in agreement that the interviewers never seemed to like the response (we all said we liked it). I feel that it has hurt me at times, though I'm not going to ever say I regret going to an Ivy League school. Sometimes I think I have some bitter interviewer who was rejected by that school at some point in their lives.

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General Board / Re: Hotel for NY Bar
« on: November 09, 2009, 10:54:38 PM »
If you live in an out of state place like Jersey City or Hoboken do you still have the same near guarantee of getting Albany just like if you live in California or do they account for the fact that you are right across the river?

I think so...I'm not sure. But I know people from Pittsburgh who were assigned to Buffalo because it was closer to there than Albany.

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General Board / Re: Hotel for NY Bar
« on: October 19, 2009, 11:59:01 AM »
I think it depends on where your out-of-state residence is - I know people who were out-of-state who wound up in Buffalo in July. Also, I'm pretty sure there were numerous testing sites all over Albany. So I am not sure how you could book a hotel room so far in advance for Albany.

Someone referred to other testing sites in Manhattan besides Javits. I don't know about that...Pace University was used as a testing center but it is for people who live in/near White Plains.

I took it at Javits in July (I live in-state though). I booked a room at the New Yorker Hotel in early June. It was a small room and the hotel was filled with other bar exam takers, but it's real close to Javits.

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Law Firms / Re: Advice for Entry-Level Attorneys
« on: October 09, 2009, 09:13:34 AM »
Woomen - I am in the same position. Still waiting for NY Bar Results and looking for a job. In the meantime, I worked on an article I had written for a class in law school and submitted it for publication and got a couple of offers. Also, I am working part-time for a professor from my school, doing some research for a law review article he is interested in writing.

But I too have tried pretty much everything...networking, applying to firms of all sizes. Nothing is working.

The most maddening thing is when I will apply to a job posting I'm qualified for and not even get an interview.

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Law Firms / Re: RANT: 2009 Legal Job Market
« on: September 03, 2009, 10:01:51 AM »
I feel like your grades hardly matter right now. I was top 10% and on the editorial board of law review at a low T2. I'm trying to do some networking, but the local bar association I joined doesn't seem to have many events.


Is there an Inn of the court in your city, I found that to be very helpful networking wise. Most of the events I go to stemmed from knowing people there.

No. Just the local bar association. I joined that and a couple of the committees associated with it. They seem to pretty much never have meetings or events.

I don't know, honestly what drives me insane is that, I'll apply to a job posting listed on my school's website. It will say something like "recent law grad wanted for a position as a law clerk" or "part-time work for recent law grad" and I will never hear from the firm. I've had my resume checked over by attorneys so many times and I know it's fine, cover letter checked by career services....so why with my grades can I not even get an interview? It really upsets me. I feel like it's a sign I'm not supposed to be a lawyer.   

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Law Firms / Re: RANT: 2009 Legal Job Market
« on: September 01, 2009, 06:22:02 PM »
I feel like your grades hardly matter right now. I was top 10% and on the editorial board of law review at a low T2. I'm trying to do some networking, but the local bar association I joined doesn't seem to have many events.

And I accepted the paid internship on the phone with the guy running it, and today I got a rejection letter. I called and they assured me this was a clerical error, but I'm kind of freaking out. I emailed the person in charge about it and he hasn't gotten back to me yet.

The worst part is that I had gotten an interview for another internship and declined it because I thought I had one . . . .

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3L job search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: August 27, 2009, 07:10:58 PM »
Sorry, I feel for your situation and wish you the best.  I am curious though, would taking a degree off your resume be a like lying on it and be grounds for firing?  I don't know, I am curious what others think about this.

I thought about doing that because I have a masters in biology and employers seemed to just look at me and say "oh you must want to do IP, but we're not hiring in that right now." Ultimately, I didn't think it would make much sense to just take a year and a half of hard work off my resume.

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