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Incoming 1Ls / Re: First Year Law Classes
« on: July 22, 2009, 11:10:14 AM »
I will be a 1L this fall and this rigid course load seems a bit overwhelming for me. I really feel completely clueless on this new journey. Anyone have any good advice?
You are probably no more or no less "clueless" than the rest of us.

Advice: Breathe   ;)

everyone else is as clueless as you, even if they read all the law school books, did all their research, read case books ahead of time, whatever. just don't burn yourself out during 1st semester. keep some non-law school activities going. lovebutton's link is pretty much right on. i think the crazies don't do any better than the least not at my school.

Yeah, the comp and terms will be all over the place; hopefully it all turns out alright given how 3L OCI is nonexistent.

To the other 3Ls: do you think people in our class are applying for clerkships en masse? OCS is still sticking by their 50 clerkship limit even though H/P/V etc are all allowing unlimited or close to it. I feel like our OCS is stuck in 2004 and is essentially useless.

i have no clue. but i do know that a lot of people are taking their (paid) year off. some firms are offering even more money if you work pro bono full time.

January of 2011?  Nearly two years after graduation?  Wow.

Clairel: can you suggest what to do and what not to do in interviews?

i did a video-taped practice interview and it was really helpful...i learned the "death knell" questions and i got to see my style on tape. plus, it was an confidence boost when she said that i'd be fine.

have a reason for bidding where you are (i had lots of california connections...i bid on chicago as a secondary market and didn't do as well). be enthusiastic and try to sort of copy the interviewer's style; some of them are very energetic and some are less so. be prepared to answer the standard questions: "why did you go into law", "why did you choose chicago", "where do you see yourself in 10 years", "why [this firm]". don't ask about part-time options. 

plus those who are deferred are actually being paid to NOT work, so i wouldn't be too concerned.  ;D

I agree, but don't there still have to be different classes?  The 2011 BigLaw class may be smaller, but it still has to exist. 

One word: deferrals. The class of 2011 doesn't have to exist, since we (c/o 2010) will be starting when you would, and the class of 2012 can start as normal. Obviously it wouldn't be that black-and-white though, since firms would realize they could pick up much higher-quality students than normal, etc.

That said, you'll all be fine. And by all, I mean most. Probably about the same number will be fine as in our class.

also, plenty of people in my class are deferred until sometime next year or january of 2011. i think if you're close to the median and bid on a lot of firms (and figure out what to do and what not to do in interviews), you should be okay. i did around 30 interviews even though ocs recommends around 15, but i wanted the bay area.

it could have the makings of a really interesting and unique personal statement. if possible though, i would focus on one incident in particular to avoid being too much like a "personal experience" essay. also, avoid the "i'm going to law school to help people" angle; it's done far too often. maybe focus on a few experiences that interested you in the legal profession as a whole, if you can think of any from your truck driving years.

being in your 30s definitely won't hurt you.

i probably would mention it briefly, but you might take a bit more time off between undergrad and law school (maybe work for a year?). then you'll have three years without an episode and law schools might be more convinced that things are really under control for you.

and trust me, PLENTY of people in law school suffer from depression/anxiety/a bazillion other mental problems. admissions committees and faculty members, for the most part, seem to understand that it's a disease that, with proper management, can be dealt with and have minimal interference on daily life (and an occasional episode, as long as you seek help from a doctor or therapist, is expected). most schools offer pretty inexpensive health care plans that will contribute to covering medication and therapy. i don't think that, even if you applied this year, any adcoms would really reject your application if you can show how you're taking steps to avoid a recurrence.

ditto on what heartbreaker said. i did a minor in music and lots of local community theatre, and i think if anything, it helped my application slightly (diversity of interests, since i was majoring in poli sci and communications, and did a lot of legal internships). don't be bored, but also give yourself time to go out and have fun. college isn't just all about doing everything right for a law school application and as long as you're not out getting drunk every night, your GPA shouldn't suffer.

Okay, cool.  I think the abject silliness is why I put it on par with the Kirkland video, but I can see someone reading it the other way.

he responded in-class too....but he stopped wearing his amazing ties  :'(

Incoming 1Ls / Re: First Year Law Classes
« on: July 01, 2009, 08:19:47 AM »
Copied directly from the UK Law website

Fall Semester

Formation of contracts; offer, acceptance, consideration. Statute of Frauds, parol evidence rule. Sale of goods under Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code.

LAW 804 Legal Research and Writing Skills (3 hours)
Use of research materials, legal writing, the fundamentals of legal analysis, and the solution of selected legal problems.

LAW 805 TORTS (4 hours)
Intentional torts and defenses, and the basic elements of negligence law, including duty and standard of care, causation in fact and proximate cause. Strict liability and products liability, as well as other select issues of tort law.

LAW 810 CRIMINAL LAW (3 hours)
The criminal act, complete and incomplete; criminal intent, actual and constructive; duress and mistake of fact, of law; justification; parties in crime; crimes against the person and crimes against property.

Introduction to the civil action; personal and in rem jurisdiction; service of process and notice; subject matter jurisdiction; venue; choice of law; pleading.

Spring Semester

Sale of goods under Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code. Performance, express and implied conditions, repudiation, impossibility.

LAW 807 PROPERTY (4 hours)
Rights in personal and real property, gifts, estates, landlord-tenant law, land transfers, land contracts, covenants, recording acts, easements and real covenants.

Joinder of claims and parties; discovery, summary judgment; right to jury trial; trials and posttrial motions; res judicata and collateral estoppel.

Judicial interpretation of the constitution; the federal system; powers of the national government; limitations on the exercise of state powers; separation of powers.

this is pretty standard. under the quarter system you get one elective in the spring here, but two quarters of civ pro, contracts, torts, property, and criminal law.

Law School Admissions / Re: What are my best bets? 3.9, 168
« on: June 30, 2009, 03:00:49 PM »
i had identical stats in 2006 and got into a bunch of t14s. if you apply to michigan, virginia, and berkeley, at least one of them will almost certainly take you.

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