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I had the same kind of crazy experience. On my second research memo, I went back to her time and time again on my "question presented." She kept telling me to add things and take things out. Finally she told me it looked perfect. She had, almost entirely, written it herself. Then she trashed it while grading. I give up.

Current Law Students / Re: Omissions on Law School App? Need Help!
« on: January 11, 2008, 04:49:20 PM »
If you go to the Dean, you might still be able to add it as an addendum to your application. There are lawyers who specialize in c&f problems. Speak to one immediately.

Current Law Students / Re: Post Your Grades as you get them!
« on: January 11, 2008, 04:14:32 PM »
Legal Writing : B+

Contracts: A

Civ Pro: A

Torts: C ??????

This is, by far, the class in which I expected my best performance. This hurts a little.

Current Law Students / Re: Bad Credit and acceptance to the Bar?
« on: January 11, 2008, 08:47:03 AM »
Bankruptcy will not be a bar as long as you are not sanctioned by the judge for doing so for the purpose of avoiding debts you can pay. It is a flag, but the worst that will happen is you will be asked to explain it. Just make sure you conduct the bankruptcy on the up-and-up.

Current Law Students / Re: U of Colorado Law Students...
« on: January 10, 2008, 03:16:31 PM »
I've never personally had him, but he has a reputation for being VERY entertaining, but he often fights with admin over his grading curve (which tends to be very low. This blawg contains some info on him. A lot of funny quotes from his classes.
  Now, return the favor. I have Fenster, a visiting from Florida in Property II. Any knowledge?

Long damned thread that sort of devolved into.....

Personally, I believe the entire basis of the OP's question is pre-mature, as is the OP's advisor's advice. The law school adviser who starts doling out advice before an LSAT score is even present IS an idiot. Banking on an LSAT high enough to overcome a 3.0 is a longshot, but not entirely impossible. Still, I wouldn't plan on it. As a 41 year old 0L about to start next week, I can tell you that it is all about numbers. You score a 175, even with a 3.0, and there are plenty of top schools (maybe not top 5 or 6, but...) who only see an LSAT score that can possibly raise their median by a point. They can bury a low GPA easier than a low LSAT. I personally got into every school I applied to with predictable scholarship offers based on my numbers. While I believe my softs were good and my PS excellent (with anexception I am getting to) I think they meant very little. I was actually offered admittance to Washington & Lee with a $15k/year scholarship (about right with my numbers) despite the fact that EIGHT times in my PS to them I mentioned how very much I wanted to be a part of WILLIAM $ MARY School of Law. You get the #'s and they don't care if you're 15 or 50 it's just a matter of "how can you contribute to my school's attempt to move up the rankings?" Now, getting a job is a different matter.

SEP '05 after much prep: 159 (big bubbling mistake on RC section

DEC '05 with NO additional studying: 172

OCT '06 after teaching LSAT classes: 167 (got greedy)

I also feel it didn't hurt. I feel I was treated as a 172 / 3.97 applicant everywhere I applied

Studying for the LSAT / Re: New ABA Policy?
« on: August 11, 2007, 03:58:16 PM »
I originally took the LSAT during my Junior year because I was in a program that would allow me early entry into law school with a 3.75 and 75% percentile on the LSAT (that works out to about a 158. The program required that you finish your core and major work and then the school (Arkansas-Little Rock) would credit your 1L year as 30 credits toward a BA. My 159 and GPA were good enough, but I decided I no longer wanted to go to UALR. I didn't apply to many top 14 schools. It's a money issue. I am an older student with three kids at home and moving my family to DC or Berkeley (or Boston) was out of the question financially minus huge scholarship $$. Berkeley waitlisted me and then accepted, but offered very little aid. I didn't apply to Georgetown until the last minute after they extended their deadline, and I believe almost everyone applying that late was wl'd first. They offered no $$. BC waitlisted me, but I withdrew.I ended up taking the full ride at Colorado. I wasn't willing to take on the financial obligation and debt that would go along with a T14 school, especially since I would be graduating at 44 and wouldn't be a Biglaw gimme at any rate. My point was that the fact that I took the LSAT 3 times didn't seem to be an issue. I pretty much was treated (with the exception of BC) the same as other applicants with numbers in my range.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: New ABA Policy?
« on: August 10, 2007, 05:27:09 PM »
I was skeptical at first, getting a good but not stellar score the first time (171)

171 - "good but not stellar?" I think you need a dose of perspective. Having said that, I retook a 172 after the change in policy. Actually I was less inclined by the policy. My first LSAT was 159 in December '05. I had a bubbling problem so retook in DEC '05 and scored a 172. That gave me a 166 average. Then the policy change kicked in. After teaching the LSAT I thought I surely was even more prepared. I scored 167. In any event, I believe I was treated at all the schools I applied to exactly the way I should have with a 172/3.97. I got in everywhere I applied and got scholarships in just about the right amounts at the appropriate schools. It doesn't seem that the drop on the third take mattered. All any school cares about is "can this applicants LSAT possible raise my numbers, improve my ranking, and increase donations from happy alumni?" Personally I loved the change in policy. I went from a 166 applicant to a 172 applicant without any effort on my part.

I did fairly well (no rejections) even after dropping 5 points on my third take (159, 172, 167). Seriously, they only care about what that highest score does for them. If you think the LSAT is used by schools to evaluate your ability to do well in LS, you are naive. They use it to evaluate how you can help their USNWR rankings. Unless your PS is on how you did a stretch at the state pen for murdering and raping three year olds, high LSAT trumps all (even if it's accompanied by two lower scores).

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