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Cooley will probably take you, UDM might, but you're much better off re-taking the LSAT and shooting for something higher.

Current Law Students / Re: Time budgeting--Lacrosse 1L
« on: August 26, 2009, 10:50:45 AM »
There is no way - NONE - that you will be able to compete in Div. III lacrosse and not suffer a reduction in grades in law school.

I think the posters telling you to attempt this fail to understand the commitment required.

My own perspective is that of a 2L on law review and the brother of a Div. II lacrosse head coach (who has also coached in Div. III previously). The practice, game and travel commitments are simply too much, and will conflict with classes, reading and exam prep.

Don't even think about it. If you want to finish up your eligibility, do that and THEN start law school.

Do you mean you got in for fall 2009?  And, may I ask, what was your score?  I am pretty bummed about mine...but it was in the top 87th for some strange reason. 


Sounds like the OP is talking about taking the June 2008 LSAT, and getting into Toledo for Fall 2008.

Slumdog is correct - I took the test last June, got my score in early July, and was admitted to Toledo a few weeks later. Just completed 1L.

My score was 162.

I would probably side with Akron because Toledo is surprisingly ill-connected in the Detroit market so Toledo will pretty much leave you in Toledo.

I'm a 1L from Toledo interning with a federal judge in Detroit this summer and I have to say this statement simply isn't true in my experience. Michigan and Wayne State obviously dominate, then Detroit Mercy, but for its size and rank, Toledo is very well represented. Again, in my experience.

And keep in mind Toledo is a very small law school - there are only about 120 students in my class (200 at Akron and 211 at Wayne State, for comparison). If you want to work in Ohio, I think both Akron and UT will give you pretty similar opportunities, and agree with those who suggest you avoid the private school tuition.

Feel free to message if you have any questions about UT.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Capital or Toledo
« on: June 19, 2009, 06:43:49 PM »
I'm a rising 1L at Toledo and had a terrific experience. I'd highly recommend the school.

But it sounds like you really want to be in Columbus, and if that's where you want to be, you should probably go to Capital. If you go to Toledo just to save $$$, you'll just be miserable, and life's too short to be miserable. FWIW, Toledo has a good history of sending transfers to OSU. A classmate just told me this week of two, neither of which was in the top 10 percent of the class, one of which had almost mediocre grades.

Just wanted to share a personal story with folks waiting a June LSAT score.

A year ago, I was in your position. When I received my score on July 3 (I think), I was pretty disappointed. It was about 5 points below my consistent average on practice tests and wouldn't be good enough to get me into the t14 I'd hoped to attend.

But then a funny thing happened - it turned out my score was well about the 75th percentile for Toledo, which was about 45 minutes from my home. The admissions staff encouraged me to apply for immediate admission, and told me I'd be a strong candidate for a full scholarship. Then a lower Tier 2 school from out of state that I'd released my score to, Richmond, reached out and basically said the same thing.

Long story short, within three weeks of getting my score, I was admitted to Toledo with a full ride. My 1L year was terrific, I'm interning this summer with a federal judge, and I have very high hopes of making law review. My grades were good enough that I'd have had a shot at transferring to that t14, but I like Toledo (and hate 100k in debt) so much that I didn't even really consider it.

So if you entertain any hope of going this fall, take a shot.

Call the schools that interest you, especially if your LSAT is at or above their 75th percentile, and ask them if they'd consider taking you. And if they say yes, ask them if it's too late to talk scholarship.

You never know ...


Like most law students who scored well on the LSAT, I had a choice between going to a school like Toledo on scholarship or going to a much better school and taking out a ton of loans. In my case, it was really only a hypothetical choice, because I took the LSAT last June and Toledo offered me a full scholarship less than two months later. Given the fact my wife has a great job that would carry our household bills throughout law school, and that I could commute to Toledo, it was a no-brainer.

But based on my numbers, I'm pretty sure I would have gotten into plenty of schools in the 15 to 30 range in the US News rankings.

What's the biggest difference between those schools and Toledo? On campus interviews.

Law School Admissions / Re: Accepted TODAY !!
« on: July 24, 2008, 06:37:51 PM »
Thanks everybody! This board's a tremendous resource, even for those of us that do more reading than posting.

Law School Admissions / Re: Accepted TODAY !!
« on: July 23, 2008, 05:02:14 PM »
Toledo with a full three-year scholarship this fall.

Took the LSAT in June and intended to apply to a variety of schools for fall 2009, but I'm jumping in a year early and couldn't be happier. I'm a dad making a mid-career switch, want to practice in Michigan/Ohio, and this will be extremely family friendly for me.

I'm fired up.

Law School Admissions / Re: US News historical rankings composite
« on: July 14, 2008, 10:49:01 AM »
Thanks! That's a great little database, especially with the graph showing rise and fall of each school.

I'm sure I saw one with the top 100 somewhere, though ...

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