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2L job search / Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« on: June 17, 2008, 06:56:45 PM »
I know how you feel, have right above B average at a school like you and am definitely not looking forward to fall recruiting.

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General Board / Re: good GPA on a 2.45ish curve?
« on: June 11, 2008, 07:49:27 PM »
I will agree with this as well. Lower ranked b-schools are only worth it if done as a formality to qualify you for moving up the corporate ladder. For the most part, unless you have well established connections already, just getting a random MBA somewhere isn't going to make you any more marketable for well paying positions.

Getting a MBA is only really worth it at the top 5 b-schools if you're young and haven't worked before.

Re: B - school, if your law school is low ranked, it's safe to say the b-school is as well. I can't think of a single example where this is not true, but perhaps your school is an exception. Business jobs for MBAs, at least the better ones, are just as competitive if not more than law jobs. The classic scenario where going to a no-name / local b-school doesn't matter is where you have someone with several years of work experience, whose company is paying for the MBA in full so they can "ticket punch" the employee for a promotion. It doesn't sound this is your scenario though. What I'm trying to say is, the MBA from a middling school isn't worth much, especially when you don't have substantial work experience to back it up.  Try doing research on your own and you'll see what I mean.



Thanks, I didn't know you were such an expert when it came to buisness school too... your statement makes no sense though... if it is a business job, wouldnt the status of the business school matter more for the MBA than the law school's ranking?

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General Board / Re: good GPA on a 2.45ish curve?
« on: June 10, 2008, 05:44:50 PM »
Potential for future growth is definitely there, plenty of small time lawyers make a good living for themselves. I am just concerned about those at lower ranked schools and their job prospects coming out. From a purely financial point of view, it doesn't make sense to get a J.D. Perhaps you enjoy the law enough to make it work. But that's for you to decide, and I definitely wouldn't dig a 100K debt hole just to make 60K coming out.

Please, what else are people going to law school for? Except for the odd ones out, very few people are going to find law to be something they "love". Nothing glamorous about sitting at a desk pushing papers. Nothing intellectually stimulating about defending a DUI in court. Unless you're doing a high profile case, it simply isn't exciting. People are in the career of law for the money. We're here to work and provide for ourselves, not have fun. Guaranteed 90% of people hate their jobs regardless of what they're doing, might as well make some cash in the meanwhile.

My comments the last 2 posts or so have been more general "you" or "I" as representative of law students in general. If you are right that it is just to make the money, then why do it? If you read the post above, you only make the same amount as you would have made if you went to work right after getting your BA.... what is the motivation then for putting a ton of money in the hole to get the JD? Given the salary quoted, it would mean that the benefits with or without a JD are the same even though the costs of getting the JD are of course much higher than not. It would seem inefficient and illogical to get a JD then.... is it potential for future growth then? Is it just this way because of the terrible nature of the current economy?

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General Board / Re: good GPA on a 2.45ish curve?
« on: June 10, 2008, 02:29:22 PM »
Please, what else are people going to law school for? Except for the odd ones out, very few people are going to find law to be something they "love". Nothing glamorous about sitting at a desk pushing papers. Nothing intellectually stimulating about defending a DUI in court. Unless you're doing a high profile case, it simply isn't exciting. People are in the career of law for the money. We're here to work and provide for ourselves, not have fun. Guaranteed 90% of people hate their jobs regardless of what they're doing, might as well make some cash in the meanwhile.


So then what exactly is the point of the next 2-3 years (including the year  for my MBA) and this past year then if i am going to make the same as I did if I didnt go to law school but am now $100,000 in debt?

To do something you love to do as opposed to just making a lot of money and waking up every day wanting to hang yourself with your tie.

At my T2, the career services lady told me that she's amazed at how many people walk into her office and say something like "I wont accept any job that pays less than $80K per year." Far too many people head into lawschool with a feeling that they're "entitled" to make 6 figures quickly just because they're going to become a lawyer. 

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General Board / Re: good GPA on a 2.45ish curve?
« on: June 10, 2008, 12:45:38 PM »
Sure you'll have prospects, but just keep your expectations realistic so you don't get surprised and upset. You should be able to get work as an associate as some small firm, but the pay will probably be around 60k, just like jobs you get right out of undergrad.

Six figure jobs are probably out of the question for now. When even students from the top 30 schools are having trouble finding work, things are looking pretty bleak for everyone else as well.

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1L job search / Re: Chances at a 1L big law job...
« on: January 23, 2008, 07:01:41 PM »
If your grades remain at relatively the same level(should find out in next day or two), a job from OCI may be possible. Otherwise, many jobs are already gone from offers given to students after screening interviews. Events after this point are merely formalities and attempts to drum up interest in the firm for 2L OCI. Best of luck to you, and hope you won't end up like me scrambling to look for other non biglaw opportunities.

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