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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Law School should be approached with caution
« on: May 11, 2010, 07:59:50 PM »
Yes Taco Bell. I am sure every Cooley Graduate works at Taco Bell. I went to an interview not long ago and a recent Cooley Graduate was working at a firm! Shocking right!!

Law school is not a guarntee and neither is computer science or an MBA. If you know something that is some guaranteed road to success please let me know! Honestly, otherwise we are all stuck with taking a risk, which is what education is.

Maybe just getting a law degree from a good school is not enough. Did you personally every work before you started law school or did you simply go to undergard and never have a job and then went to law school and never worked? If that is the case a lot of employers would be hesitant to hire someone with no REAL WORLD experience. Believe it or not school is nothing like the real world.

The answers are in what I've posted.

You need to wake up, son.

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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Law School should be approached with caution
« on: May 11, 2010, 04:23:34 PM »
so your simple mind is confused why after saying "its not true" someone would reply "it is true and here is why"?
Ain't that hard man, it may seem that way for you, but it shouldnt be.

To address other comments - yes, some Harvard law grads ARE having difficulty finding work.

Was this directed toward me?  ???  Because all I said was that lots of Harvard grads do not have it hard, not all Harvard grads. 

I saw on another thread that you have yet to start Cooley. Please tone down your nastiness and listen to us. Get out while you can (unless you have a close relative in the practice).

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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Law School should be approached with caution
« on: May 11, 2010, 04:21:40 PM »
This message board seems dead. This whole thread had between four and six people debating amongst each other.

I have warned people before on Law School Discussion to think twice about law school and got the same mean-spirited responses from true believers. It's like telling a kindergartner that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Actually, it's worse.

I am a T14 graduate, around top third of the class, good resume, experience, journal, etc., and NO JOB after hundreds of applications and a few interviews. I have found out the employment status of quite a few peers at my school, and between 60 and 90 percent have no permanent job prospects after graduation.

My school is hiring many people for temporary positions so that the employment rate looks good for US News; but after nine months, many of these kids are going to be on the street with $150-200k in loans to pay back. And, mind you, this is a PRESTIGIOUS school.

I'm in a better situation than most (for reasons I will not state on this board because it's irrelevant and because my situation is unusual); but please, think twice about law school.

If you graduate from Cooley, not only will you be jobless (working the night shift at Taco Bell doesn't count), but it will be a big sh*tstain on your resume because the school is the laughingstock of the legal profession, especially amongst younger lawyers. I think that's unfair (especially after seeing how many less-than-stellar people end up at T14s) but it's how it is.


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why were they rejected?

Unless your a Felon or an invalid the service can take you. If you're a coward, that's what the civie corps are for.
Just one idea that is there but people don't want. That's all. And hell yeah, people would be still whineing if they were super-easy to get into. People feel it's there civic duty to do so. My God, 5 figures a year.....Razors,I need razors...... :-\

Joining the military is a possibility for almost everyone, getting a job with JAG is not.
I know plenty of really qualified candidates who were rejected by JAG.
If you get accepted in to JAG, you graduate the modified basic training as a Lieutenant, you get a great bonus, and the loan forgiveness is amazing.  As a result, you have way more applicants than positions.


Too many qualified applicants, not enough openings. The story of the legal profession.

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Lawschool is the easiest thing that I have ever done in my entire life. What the hell are you talking about?

I never said it was difficult.

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Hold it there: no one said it was a bad investment for everyone at T14s. If you think I exaggerated, please tell these people where I exaggerated. Obviously there are people in T14s who, because of either exceptional grades or because of a good family, get jobs

This is really a matter of opinion, so I can't really prove anything one way or another. However, I just think that your characterization of situation is generally worse than it really is. While many of my friends here at GULC missed out on biglaw due to the economy, almost everyone I know has something reasonably good lined up post graduation- or are at least getting plenty of interviews. Plenty of people (at least 3Ls) got biglaw despite the economy with good, but not spectacular grades and no particular family ties (myself included). I agree that it's bad, just not armageddon.

I also disagree with the characterization of law school as a "Scam" in general. It may be a bad deal for some, but there's no malice going on. I do agree that for-profit law schools are dangerously close to that line though.



My characterization is accurate. If you calculate expected returns using the phony law school statistics, you will probably find law school to be a good investment. If you calculate the expected returns using the true statistics, you will probably find law school to be a bad investment. My personal opinion is that law school is a bad investment unless you have exceptional grades, are well-connected, or go to HYS (Harvard, Yale, or Stanford). YOU might have achieved a great return on your investment with average or slightly-above average grades and coming from a working class household. That's good, and I applaud you for it. But decisions about whether to go to law school should be made with a cool head.

The Wall Street Journal blog wrote yesterday that law school exhibits similar characteristics of the housing boom (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/19/how-legal-education-today-is-like-sub-prime-mortgage-market-in-2006/). Although I don't see law school tuition crashing soon, I do know that law school applicants are generally not making their decisions with enough knowledge of the legal profession. Law schools are generally pretty expensive. Do you know that most TTTs charge around the same price as T14s?

That's why I'm here telling the 0Ls not to believe the numbers put out by the law schools. Also, you should understand that many people are too embarrassed to admit they don't have jobs. It's not something people like to talk about, particularly when you form part of a culture that stigmatizes poverty, unemployment, and underemployment.

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from http://esqnever.blogspot.com/2010/04/responsible-0l.html

"During my 1L year, I remember professors talking to us about what awaits us when we become associates in large firms - as if landing such positions was a given. One legal writing professors even urged us to be kind to our secretaries because they hold more power than they're given credit. Who would have thought that they "hold more power" than I do because they're actually gainfully employed, and I'd be lucky to get a sales position at Radio Shack.

Like the friends of an entranced teenage girl, however, the scam-bloggers can't get through to the infatuated party. "It's not true!", the 0L's cry. "They wouldn't lie to us!", they protest. No, it's us - the "losers" - who are the enemy and just out to sully the good name of these fine institutions of academic excellence because we couldn't hack it.

Sadly, when their three years are up, they finally are able to recognize the truth - once it's too late. Just like the girl who spurned her friends' counsel and has learned that "prince charming" has been dating three other girls and is indifferent to her feelings, the new law school graduates are cast out of their delusion only to realize they'd been conned by some of the most duplicitous characters in higher education."

Read more at http://esqnever.blogspot.com/ (just one of many law school scam busting blogs).

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Cooley in the fall
« on: April 18, 2010, 05:20:18 PM »
Thanks for making my point for me.

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Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.


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General Board / Re: Is law school worth it?- Freaked Out!
« on: April 18, 2010, 04:26:46 PM »
I agree with no name and PSUD. My school (T14) has a similar experience. It's terrible, but the information is not reaching the 0Ls. Once you have a law degree, it's really difficult to have a professional job in a non-law field. Sure you can work at Radio Shack (where I read, anecdotally, that a Pace Law grad is working), but it's almost impossible to do the Lloyd Blankfein thing and switch to another high profession.

If you have debt, no full-time job, limited personal connections, and a law degree (worse if it's from a non-prestigious school), then you are cooked. It's a HUGE problem for young men and women. No one says much because it's considered an embarrassing situation to be in. There's a strong culture to be a Pollyanna and do the whole Oprah/Osteen think-positive thing.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: April 18, 2010, 04:18:39 PM »
I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.

Cooley is considered a liability on a resume. It is considered to be a joke.

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