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Job Search / Re: Turning a State Court clerkship into fed. clerkship
« on: September 18, 2007, 10:16:39 AM »
I would like to do the state clerkship regardless of whether a federal clerkship was possible further down the line.  I was just wondering if people often use state clerkships to get federal ones.

Job Search / Turning a State Court clerkship into fed. clerkship
« on: September 17, 2007, 10:36:56 PM »
I currently am a 3l at an average (tier 3) lawschool.  I'm in the top 15% and on Law Review, and had my L. Rev. Candidate paper chose for publication.  However, although I have applied for several Federal District Court clerkships, I am fairly sure I won't land anything due to my school's status.  My question is, if I can land a State Appellate/Supreme court clerkship, will this help as leverage for a later Federal district court clerkship, or should I simply forget about Federal clerkships altogether?

Current Law Students / Re: Frustration in Finding Summer Job
« on: January 15, 2007, 01:42:16 AM »
I'm not a snob.  I'm only at a Tier III school and thus I need REALLY good grades to get the better job.  I didn't mean to offend anyone.  I'm just frustrated that if I interviewed for a lot of those big law jobs NOW I would have probably gotten more interviews and maybe even an offer.  Oh well...

Current Law Students / Frustration in Finding Summer Job
« on: January 14, 2007, 06:08:44 PM »
I had a pretty average first semester (2.78 school is on a 2.7 curve) but since have had two really good semesters and I am close to being in the top fifteen percent of my class with one fall grade still pending.  The problem is that when I applied to the Big Firms this fall, I was only in the top third of my class and on Law Review.  Since then, I have been lucky enough to have my law review Candidacy paper chosen to be published and, as mentioned earlier, my grades have continued to improve.  Is it absolutely too late to get a job with any big firms?  I know that they all have their fall interviews and although I got a couple, I didn't get any jobs.  Will I just have to be satisfied with a mid-size firm summer-job?

Current Law Students / Best Supplement for DET?
« on: January 11, 2007, 07:28:59 AM »
For most classes I've used the Lexis Understanding Series.  Does anybody have any OTHER suggestions for Decedents, Estates and Trusts?  Thanks

My school has a candidacy requirement which I just finished where everyone new on Law Review has to write a 30 plus page scholarly paper.  The paper is supposed to be of "publishable quality" (whatever that means).  In reality, you have to really screw the paper up to get kicked out of Law Review, but man, the pressure sucked last semester.  Is it normal to have a Candidacy requirement.  I have some friends on Law Review at Wash U. in St. Louis and they tell me that they have never heard of a candidacy requirement. 

Current Law Students / Re: Did I study too much?
« on: January 04, 2007, 10:50:07 PM »
Strangely, I had similar problem my first semester.  I too studied really hard and outlined every case.  I remember for my Ks class that I had like 270 pages of typed case briefs.  However, when it came time to study, I was overwhelmed.  My school is a tier 3 with a crappy 2.8 curve and I was barely above a 2.8 my first semester.  Second semester I spent MUST less time writing case briefs and spent more time doing hypos and figuring out what the teacher was like.  Also, I have learned to ALWAYS create shorter, more concise outlines.  By the time I have a finished outline before an exam, it usually NEVER is over ten pages in length.  Using these strategies, I got a 3.5 second semester and was able to write on to law review.  This past fall, I had almost NO time to study b/c of my law review candidate paper and was forced to really cram at the end.  The Result?  SO far I have two grades back and have gotten an A in Capital Punishment and A- in Civ. Pro. II.  So don't be too concerned about first semester grades.  The REAL key is figuring out what worked and more importantly, what DIDN'T work first semester. Also, don't put as much pressure on your self and the grades will come.  Finally, relax...its just lawschool.  My father was a straight C student at Wash U Law and has been a very successful attorney.

Current Law Students / Re: case sucks
« on: August 15, 2006, 04:12:19 PM »
I briefed every case religiously first semester IL year and got a 2.78  (by religiously I mean full one to two page briefs)

Second Semester I did bare-bones briefing (i.e. no more that a couple of sentences for the black letter and reasoning) and got a 3.4.  In my property book I bought the Understanding Property book by Lexis and hardly looked at the casebook but still got an A-.  The best part was that second semester my wife actually saw me because I cut my studying time down nearly in half.

The Lesson learned: Case briefing is a good thing and for the first month its probably a good idea to do full case briefs to get the hang of it.  After that, make your briefs concise statements on the law (afterall, that all you'll have time to do on your exams)  I swear half of the ILs who get bad grades do so b/c they spend all their time briefing and NO time on hypos, practice exams and other outside resources (CALI etc.)

Current Law Students / Re: No LR . . . Screwed
« on: August 15, 2006, 04:05:23 PM »
I'm kinda the opposite...on Law Review but only in top 25%  Will I get any interviews???

Current Law Students / IL Writing Class was Worthless
« on: August 15, 2006, 04:03:05 PM »
I don't know about the rest of you, but my legal writing class here at Tulsa was worthless.  Our teacher who was an adjunct (not even full-time) basically spent most of class talking about how she was such a great attorney and got straight A's in Law School (even though she had two kids BOO HOO).  After telling us about how great she was, she told us that in our class of 15, she would only give out one A and nearly everyone would probably get grades in the B- to C range.  (Of course she also gave us the usually BS 1st year speech about how grades don't really matter and that we shouldn't get too upset about them)  What motivation :-X  The class also sucked because she never let us do our own research and forced us to write our memo's using the law that SHE had construed from the cases given to us.  I mean this literally.  If you did not qoute a specific part in a case that our teacher thought was important, your grade automatically dropped.  Thus, the class became forced regurgitation...i.e., those who talked to her the most about how to write the memos and where to put certain info. got the highest grades.  She also made us put our names on the top of our papers so that there was no anonymity.  The Result????  Those who kissed her ass the most got the best grades.  I (stupidly enough) felt like my own writing talent would get me through the class.  WRONG.  I ended up w/ a C in the class Spring term despite getting an A- in Property, A in Crim Law and B in Con Law.  After finishing my Legal Writing Class I was convinced that I was a terrible writer.  Reluctantly, I tried to write-on to Law Review.  A friend of mine who got the second highest grade in my writing class also attempted to write on.  The Results...I was accepted on law review and my friend was not.  I'm not bashing my friend (who by the way was always in my writing teacher's office) but...WHAT THE HELL???? 

By the way, do others here think that my experience was atypical or is this how writing classes usually work???

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