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Job Search / Re: Federal Government Honors Programs
« on: January 02, 2009, 12:12:54 PM »
Anyone who interviewed with HUD receive offer or rejection yet?

Current Law Students / Re: In the current downturn in the legal market
« on: September 16, 2008, 11:45:41 AM »

Don't worry.  Obama will have been president for while by 2011, and Change will have swept over the world.  The world of 2011 will look quite like Star Trek.

Agreed, the economics of 2011 will be different.  We all work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity.  And the best of the best will no longer want to go to law school.  They will instead aspire to become Starfleet Officers.

Current Law Students / Re: Anyone doing Dual MBA JD degrees?
« on: June 16, 2008, 04:14:31 PM »
You need to consider what school you're talking about.  An MBA from anything less than a Top 20 is almost worthless.  I thought about a JD/MBA, but decided not to do the combined program because my school's MBA program is not even ranked.  I'm at a T-20 law school, and I'll likely be starting at a T-5 MBA program right after I graduate from law school.  I know it's  a lot of school, but an MBA at anything less than a T-20 is a waste.

Definitely check with an attorney - ask him about "promissory estoppel"

Current Law Students / Re: T20 in Major City Needs Some Guidance
« on: May 03, 2008, 08:39:36 PM »
Gee, I wonder if you're for real or if you're just a flame.  How ever can I tell?  Oh, I know! Let's look at xoxo  and see if you're posting there:

Current Law Students / Re: Summer starters have an "unique" advantage?
« on: April 11, 2008, 12:55:58 PM »
Actually, I beg to differ.  Arrogant kids need a dose of cold water thrown on them every once in awhile.  If you can't get into Yale, you don't need to be a jackass to others on these message boards.  Yale students, because they have proven themselves to be superior by their admission to Yale, are the only people who can get away with being jackasses if they so choose. I go to a T-20 by the way, so I'm not bragging. 

Current Law Students / Re: Summer starters have an "unique" advantage?
« on: April 11, 2008, 12:49:27 PM »
2LMan... just went through the 1L job process "in this economy" in a top law school.  Some people had multiple offers (4-8 offers), some people are splitting, and about half the students in the class have firm jobs.  Lots of people didn't even apply to firms, so that's not even representative of the number of people who *could* have gotten firm jobs.  I think he's in good shape as a 1L at Michigan.

Peaches, I replied to your personal message, but I'm going to take this public.  Peaches didn't like me calling him/her a kid in a post.  But ya know, I just saw your most recent posts on-line, Peaches, and I gotta say they are brimming with arrogance and overconfidence.  If you really are the adult you say you are, why are wasting your time lording yourself over strangers on the internet?  Again, kid, this is not the indicia of maturity.  You seem very impressed with yourself and your fellow T-14s.  I hope it brings you the happiness you so clearly think it will. But it won't, especially not with your horrible personality.  Indeed, doesn't sound like you went to Yale.  So, why did you suck so bad that you didn't get into Yale?  LSAT too hard for you? Hmmm??

Current Law Students / Re: Attire for Federal Court Externship
« on: January 03, 2008, 09:42:07 AM »
You could always go with this look from a former extern for a federal judge:


Current Law Students / Re: ROTC? Could use some advice..
« on: January 01, 2008, 09:58:50 PM »

Not to steal the thread but I have a question.

Is experience required for all ADA positions?

I imagine it depends on the district (NY or Little County, USA).

Is it possible to land an ADA job straight out of LS assuming you've got all the checks in the box (moot court, proper electives,etc,...)?


Yes, it is possible to land an ADA position right out of law school, especially in smaller markets, and especially if your resume screams that you want to go into criminal justice.  I was suggesting to Hugh that he do firm work first because ADA pay isn't always the greatest at first and he mentioned that money would be an issue in his last year of school.

Current Law Students / Re: ROTC? Could use some advice..
« on: January 01, 2008, 09:13:15 PM »
I thought about that alot. I was in the Navy for those 8 years and I didn't care for the deployments too long. However, I am trying to think of many things.
1) my last year of law school would be brutal income wise. My wife missed alot of work when she was ill and we are STILL trying to catch up.
2) I know that the money isn't all that great for a retirement but I do want to work when I get out. Here is what I am thinking about.. I will be an prior enlisted when I originally go back in, which means that my salary would be more than most officers at the same level. I figure that I could make about 30k a year in retirement when I get out.. I looked it up and as an O1E my salary would be a little over 36k a year for my base pay. That doesn't include BAH or BAS... By the time I would reach 03E it would be about over 60k a year base pay. That would mean by the time I retire my pension would be about 30k a year.. Not too awful bad at 42..

My only problem would be how hard would it be to get a job as a prosecutor..

I dunno though....

I understand where you're coming from.  What it comes down to though is this - you are giving up the potential to make a great deal of money with no upper limit except what stems from your own creativity and work ethic to gain the safety of a smaller but still fairly comfortable amount of money.  So what I'm saying is, you shouldn't be doing it for the money because your income potential is still much greater on the outside, in the long term.  Have you considered doing firm work for the first couple of years out of law school, then applying to become an ADA?  You'd even make more money as a temporary contract attorney then as an Ensign even with O1E pay, even including benefits.  And by the way, are you still in the IRR?  A lot of people don't realize that the law changed in '04 to give IRR members all the benefits of active duty except for health care and Space-A priority.  I use the PX and commissary all the time and it saves me a bundle.

I have to say too that my best friend is a LT in the Navy and he's getting out because if he stays in he's up for a second 6 month stay in the Green Zone.  The deployments are going to be getting worse before they get better, and you've got a son who would probably prefer you to be home for his teenage years.  That's the real choice your making these days.  It sucks to have to choose between serving one's country and being an active member of one's family.

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