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General Board / Re: What's good about being an attorney?
« on: April 09, 2006, 09:06:52 AM »
Today's lawyers are "an unhappy lot" and many of them wish they had gone into some other line of work, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor has told to an overflow audience in a University of Wyoming meeting.

Ethical standards have declined since an era when people "trusted and respected" lawyers. Job dissatisfaction among lawyers is widespread, profound and growing worse. Studies have shown that lawyers are three times as likely as those in other professions to suffer depression, and that drug dependency, divorce and suicide are also significantly more common among them.

A California study showed lawyers to be profoundly pessimistic about the future of the legal profession and found that only half said they would enter the profession if they had it to do over again. At the 30th anniversary of her Stanford Law School class, O'Connor said "the vast majority" of her previous classmates said in response to a question that they would not do it over again if they had the choice to make.

A win-at-all costs mentality prevails. Many attorneys believe that zealously representing their client means pushing all the rules of ethics and decency to the limit. In contemporary practice, lawyers often speak of their dealings with other lawyers as war, and act accordingly. But they ought not to look at litigation as war, or arguments as battles, or a trial as a siege. Civility is not a virtue that the majority of lawyers today choose to advertise.

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After graduating with a degree in Food Communications, I worked as a cookbook editor and a home economist. I knew cookies and calories, not courts and cases. The hours of reading, the Socratic method and indecipherable judicial decisions had my head spinning. Overwhelmed? I skipped that step and went straight to terrified.

But about a month into school, I finally found a guide that brought everything into focus. No, it wasn't Emanuel or Gilbert. It was Harry Potter. The similarities to my own situation struck me immediately as I watched. In the movie no time for books this semester Harry goes off to Hogwartz, a wizardry school. Everything he encounters is strange and different. The things he needs to learn seem to have no connection to the outside world. This was my initial reaction to law school.

Harry has classes in potions and sorcery; I learn the black arts of torts and contracts. He studies spellbooks; I study casebooks. An evil teacher skulks around Harry's school; the seemingly evil Socratic method lurks in my classes.

Alas, no magic wand can get me out of trouble when I haven't done the reading for Criminal Law, but Harry Potter's experience made me reevaluate my reaction to law school. Thinking of law school as an adventure, a road to travel to get to my goals rather than as a prison sentence, has lifted my fatigue and anxiety.

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General Board / Re: Bar Exam Structure.....
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:42:34 AM »

The reason why Ms. Sullivan failed is actually very simple: she is stupid.


She's not stupid, she just thought they would give her a pass just because she was Stafford's dean ..

Which boils down to being stupid .. they did jack her up, but her score was so low that they just couldn't give her a pass ..

I wouldn't say stupid ... maybe she just did not study enough, thinking they'd give her a pass because she was Stanford's dean ... but I may be wrong, of course ...

Even if she did not study hard, she's Stanford's dean, she has already taken two states bar exams and you just can not attribute her failure to her lack of preparation. Does the definition of "assault," "battery," "specific performance" and the like change over time, or from state to state?! Does California have a much different definition of "principal in the second degree" compared to New York?! Not really!

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General Board / Re: UNLV - Boyd
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:33:24 AM »

I love Las Vegas. It's the most fun city in America!


watch this movie


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General Board / Re: HOw Old ARe You
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:31:12 AM »
sincerely there are so many old farts in evening classes .. they usually try to relate to professors as contemporaries, and neglect classmates .. they just can't cross the generational line and connect with the typical law student

and boy do they care about age discrimination ... i know mature, aged law students who did not list their college graduate year in their resumes ... old farts who were making inquires about altering their appearance (dying gray hairs, considereing botox etc)

i mean c'mon mon, confront the reality of having to work as an entry-level lawyer alongside other co-workers and with partners who, yes, may be significantly younger than you are ...

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General Board / Re: EAST OR WEST, HOME IS BEST?
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:19:19 AM »
The George Washington University Law School, commonly referred to as GW Law, founded in 1825, is the oldest law school in the District of Columbia. The law school enrolled its first class in 1865. Until the 1980s, it was known as "The National Law Center at The George Washington University."

The school is accredited by the ABA and is a charter member of the AALS. The school currently has about 1,860 degree candidates: 1,260 full-time, 290 part-time, and over 300 post-J.D. candidates.

In 2000, the law school began a major building and renovation scheme to create an integrated, modern learning facility. The school continues to expand into attached buildings along perimeters of the University Yard.

GW Law is currently ranked 19th on the U.S. News & World Report list of "Top 100 Law Schools." In its specialties categories, U.S. News ranks GW Law 3rd in intellectual property law, 6th in international law, 12th in environmental law, and 15th in clinical training. The law school is the highest-ranked graduate program of its parent institution, The George Washington University.

In 2005, the GW Law Student Bar Association was named 1 the Student Bar Association of the Year by the American Bar Association. GW Law's student-run newspaper, the Nota Bene, won the 2005 ABA award for Editorial of the Year and SBA President Eric Koester was a finalist for 2005 SBA President of the Year.

Also in 2005, a team from GW Law won the world championship in the Manfred Lachs Space Law Moot Court Competition in Fukuoka, Japan.

Notable alumni of The George Washington University Law School include:

Earl E. Anderson, Ret. General United States Marine Corp
Rocky Anderson, current mayor of Salt Lake City
William Barr (1977), former United States Attorney General
A. Bruce Bielaski, second director of the Bureau of Investigation
Mona Charen, political analyst and best-selling author
Bennett Champ Clark, former United States Senator
Floyd I. Clarke, former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
George B. Cortelyou, cabinet member in the Theodore Roosevelt administration
Warren Brown (1998), founder and owner of Cake Love, and host of "Sugar Rush" on the Food Network
John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State in the Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
W. Mark Felt (1940), former associate director of the FBI and Watergate scandal informant also known as "Deep Throat"
Stanley Finch (1908), first director of the Bureau of Investigation
J. William Fulbright (1934), former United States Senator, creator of the Fulbright Fellowships
Dan Glickman (1969), current president of the Motion Picture Association of America
L. Patrick Gray, former acting director of the FBI during the Watergate scandal
Patricia Roberts Harris (1960), cabinet member in the Jimmy Carter administration
J. Edgar Hoover (1917), founder and longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Harry R. Hughes (1952), former governor of the state of Maryland
Daniel Inouye (1953), United States Senator, (D-HI)
Leon Jaworski (1925), special prosecutor during the Watergate scandal
David M. Kennedy, former United States Secretary of the Treasury
Michael Kinsley, political commentator and journalist, former co-host of CNN's Crossfire
Belva Ann Lockwood (1872), first woman to argue before the United States Supreme Court
Frank Moss (1937), former United States Senator, (D-UT)
Francis G. Newlands (1869), congressman and drafter of the Newlands Resolution to annex the Republic of Hawai'i
Barbara Pariente (1973), current Chief Justice of the Florida Supreme Court
Harry Reid (1964), United States Senator, Current Senate Minority Leader, (D-NV)
Mikhail Saakashvili (1996), President of Georgia
John W. Snow (1967), current United States Secretary of the Treasury
James E. Webb (1936), second administrator of NASA

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General Board / Re: Can't Choose Between Two Boyfriends!
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:13:07 AM »
I had two boyfriends, but it was very, you know, very like 'whatever,' and my brothers' older friends always ask me out and I never wanted to go, and my dad also said he noticed the way I was with my girlfriends, so he always kind of wondered.

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General Board / Re: poor lawyers
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:08:22 AM »
My undergrad major was criminology. I had a few adjunct profs. who were lawyers by day. They mostly worked for the state. They all complained about massive loans and drove pretty crummy cars. I'm sure they weren't there for fun, but were teaching to make ends meet.

Maybe lawyers that are poor don't like to advertise the fact they're poor lawyers?

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what would it be?

Don't do drugs!

At my school there's Adderall everywhere. I would say 1/3 of the people I know are prescribed large amounts of XR (extended release) adderall. Mostly it is friends with Rx's giving it to other friends but I know there is a substantial sales market in the school. I would say that 2/3 of the student body has tried it for studying, while maybe half use it for papers and exams pretty regularly. People say it helps them study and focus for long periods of time. Unfortunately like most people with Rx's, they are not ADHD in the slightest. They simply use it for studying. It really is sick that doctors hand the stuff out like M&M's while the pharmaceutical industry laughs all the way to the bank.

Anyways the moral of the story is ... Are you a weaker person for relying on stimulants to study in law school? Maybe. But then, how are you going to be able to function when you work for "the man" at some biglaw sweatshop billing 2100 hours when Addys won't work anymore (tolerance develops pretty soon)? On cocaine?! I mean think about it ...  Imagine a huge building full of sweaty, speeding, aggressive, crack-head attorneys who are grinding themselves to the bone. I can't think of much worse!

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